[Year 12 SofDev] Prog Languages

Thu May 9 04:31:33 UTC 2019

what a great idea !!!!
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On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 2:29 PM Mark <mark at vceit.com> wrote:

> Hi, thrillseekers
>
> If students want to choose an alternative language (or a different
> implementation of it) you might want to create a checklist of VCAA's
> 'approved language criteria' and get the student to tick that their chosen
> language and implementation meets the criteria.
>
> This comes to mind:
>
> Dear amazing and wonderful SD teacher,
>
> To the best of my knowledge, I [ insert name here] believe that my chosen
> programming language [ insert language name / implementation here] is able
> to:
>
> [  ] develop a GUI for use in digital systems such as laptops, gaming
> consoles, mobile phones, tablets, robots.
> [  ] construct and use data structures
> [  ] design and apply data validation techniques
> [  ] use program control structures: selection, iteration and sequencing
> [  ] use modularisation and code optimisation
> [  ] use objects, methods and event-driven programming functions.
> [  ] design, construct and use external storage and access technologies
> [  ] retrieve data from external sources.
>
> So help me, [ insert deity's name here ]
>
> Your humble student
> Signed this day [ insert date here ]
>
> [sign here]
>
> [apply fingerprint in blood here]
>
> Staple one $50 note here.
>
> Or something similar. (Your version may vary)
>
> Regards,
> Mark
>
>
> On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 13:11, James Vella <James.Vella at avemaria.vic.edu.au>
> wrote:
>
>> I’m the same as Nat (and others) on this one.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ve done U3O1 as one in all in for VB, but then have allowed flexibility
>> with regards to the SAT as it should be the students determining the
>> language that best meets their needs.
>>
>>
>>
>> That being said, I would have thought that the language meet the
>> Programming requirements (to ensure equity) like Richard mentioned. Usually
>> I’ve had discussions with students to ensure they know that support may be
>> limited (as you might not have a good knowledge of the language they have
>> chosen compared to what you have used in U3O1) and usually had them show me
>> some examples of what they have done and can do with their “alternative”
>> language to a similar level of what was required of students in U3O1.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps
>>
>>
>>
>> JV
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>> James Vella
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>> *From:* sofdev <sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au> *On Behalf Of *Richard
>> Shelly
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 9 May 2019 11:56 AM
>> *To:* Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <
>> sofdev at edulists.com.au>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Prog Languages
>>
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>>
>> I pretty much do this too.
>>
>>
>>
>> U3O1 is python specific (I did VB in my first year teaching SD, and
>> Python this year and last year).
>>
>>
>>
>> For the SAT, students can either use python, or another language. If they
>> opt for another language, they have to demonstrate it meets the VCAA rules
>> though.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* sofdev <sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au> *On Behalf Of *HEATH
>> Natalie
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 9 May 2019 11:32 AM
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>> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Prog Languages
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>>
>> For the SAT I allowed anything that suited their purposes. I marked the
>> work with them next to me so that they could explain any features I wasn’t
>> familiar with.
>>
>> However, for U3O1 I had them all work in VB for the sole purpose of
>> making sure they all had equitable tasks – some things are more difficult
>> in other languages, especially when it comes to creating GUIs. It also
>> makes sure that I can take them through the same tasks in the same way and
>> cover many of the skills needed for the exam, laying the groundwork.
>>
>> Natalie
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>> *From:* sofdev <sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au> *On Behalf Of *Vera Cook
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>> Hi I don’t think there is any reason, my kids are using a variety of
>> languages.
>>
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>> Vera
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>> *From:* sofdev <sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au> *On Behalf Of *Victoria
>> Farrell
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 9 May 2019 11:19 AM
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>> *Subject:* [Year 12 SofDev] Prog Languages
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>> I have a number of kids who are keen to do SD but hate Visual Basic. I
>> have  a lot of reasons for using VB and intend to keep using it for Units 3
>> and 4 even though we do C++, Python and PHP as part of our Year 10 programs.
>>
>>
>>
>> Is there any reason why all the SD students within a class need to all
>> use the same programming language for their SAT?
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>> Cheers,
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>> Vic
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