<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="color:#351c75">what a great idea !!!!</div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:#351c75">🌻<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 2:29 PM Mark <<a href="mailto:mark@vceit.com">mark@vceit.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hi, thrillseekers</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">If students want to choose an alternative language (or a different implementation of it) you might want to create a checklist of VCAA's 'approved language criteria' and get the student to tick that their chosen language and implementation meets the criteria.<div><br></div><div>This comes to mind:</div><div><br></div><div><div><font face="garamond, serif">Dear amazing and wonderful SD teacher,</font></div><div><font face="garamond, serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="garamond, serif">To the best of my knowledge, I [ insert name here] believe that my chosen programming language [ insert language name / implementation here] is able to:</font></div><div><font face="garamond, serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="garamond, serif">[ ] develop a GUI for use in digital systems such as laptops, gaming consoles, mobile phones, tablets, robots.</font></div><div><font face="garamond, serif">[ ] construct and use data structures</font></div><div><font face="garamond, serif">[ ] design and apply data validation techniques</font></div><div><font face="garamond, serif">[ ] use program control structures: selection, iteration and sequencing</font></div><div><font face="garamond, serif">[ ] use modularisation and code optimisation</font></div><div><font face="garamond, serif">[ ] use objects, methods and event-driven programming functions.</font></div><div><font face="garamond, serif">[ ] design, construct and use external storage and access technologies</font></div><div><font face="garamond, serif">[ ] retrieve data from external sources.</font></div><div><font face="garamond, serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="garamond, serif">So help me, [ insert deity's name here ] </font></div><div><font face="garamond, serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="garamond, serif">Your humble student</font></div><div><font face="garamond, serif">Signed this day [ insert date here ] </font></div><div><font face="garamond, serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="garamond, serif">[sign here]</font></div><div><font face="garamond, serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="garamond, serif">[apply fingerprint in blood here]</font></div><div><font face="garamond, serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="garamond, serif">Staple one $50 note here.</font></div><div><br></div><div>Or something similar. (Your version may vary)</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Mark</div><div><br></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 13:11, James Vella <<a href="mailto:James.Vella@avemaria.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">James.Vella@avemaria.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Corbel,sans-serif;color:rgb(153,51,102)">I’m the same as Nat (and others) on this one.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Corbel,sans-serif;color:rgb(153,51,102)">I’ve done U3O1 as one in all in for VB, but then have allowed flexibility with regards to the SAT as it should be the students determining
the language that best meets their needs. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Corbel,sans-serif;color:rgb(153,51,102)">That being said, I would have thought that the language meet the Programming requirements (to ensure equity) like Richard mentioned.
Usually I’ve had discussions with students to ensure they know that support may be limited (as you might not have a good knowledge of the language they have chosen compared to what you have used in U3O1) and usually had them show me some examples of what they
have done and can do with their “alternative” language to a similar level of what was required of students in U3O1.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Corbel,sans-serif;color:rgb(153,51,102)">Hope this helps<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Richard Shelly<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I pretty much do this too.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">U3O1 is python specific (I did VB in my first year teaching SD, and Python this year and last year).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">For the SAT, students can either use python, or another language. If they opt for another language, they have to demonstrate it meets
the VCAA rules though.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">For the SAT I allowed anything that suited their purposes. I marked the work with them next to me so that they could explain any features I wasn’t
familiar with. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">However, for U3O1 I had them all work in VB for the sole purpose of making sure they all had equitable tasks – some things are more difficult in
other languages, especially when it comes to creating GUIs. It also makes sure that I can take them through the same tasks in the same way and cover many of the skills needed for the exam, laying the groundwork.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hi I don’t think there is any reason, my kids are using a variety of languages.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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