[Year 12 SofDev] Genius? - from your Administrator

Sat Jan 19 22:35:06 EST 2013

Sorry, hit send accidentally....

Sent from my iPhone

On 19/01/2013, at 10:21 PM, "Callil, Philip" <Callil_P at MaterChristi.edu.au> wrote:

> All good points, Robert. 
> 
> 1 person offended, 3 not, the majority silent, Kevork as Administrator being a moderator as is his right and duty. 
> 
> I was not offended personally but then again, English is my native language. I can't speak for those who may be reading this list and whose native language is not English. 
> 
> Humour, according to many people, is when everyone thinks something is funny. In other words, it's not at the expense of some one or some group.  I guess that cuts out many gags. Without wanting to sound humourless, I try not to bag/tease anyone about something they cannot help. (That gets me off the hook about me losing my hair!) So looks and accents are off the list. 
> 
> Mark's contribution to the list and IT over many years speaks for itself in a very positive way. 
> 
> Let's move on to 2013 doing what we are all passionate about - use of IT and ICT to improve learning. 
> 
> Good luck over the next couple of weeks settling yourself, your students and colleagues 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 19/01/2013, at 8:39 PM, "Robert Hind" <robert at yinnar.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kevork,
>> 
>> I certainly do appreciate your concern about the list not offending people.
>> 
>> However, let us get this in context:
>> 
>> There was a comment from one person which made play of the english 
>> pronunciation of  chinese speakers.
>> 
>> One, and one person only, objected to that and also presumed to speak for 
>> all of us. She had no right to speak for us all.
>> 
>> Three other respondents said they were not offended by the first comment.
>> 
>> So we have one comment that offended one person and was not offensive to 
>> three others.
>> 
>> So yes we do need to be careful what we say,  but I think you have taken 
>> this one a bit far.
>> 
>> Robert Hind (Retired) OOF, GOM, COF
>> ex Ashwood and Traralgon
>> robert at yinnar.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Kevork Krozian" <kevork at edulists.com.au>
>> To: "'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List'" 
>> <sofdev at edulists.com.au>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 6:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Genius? - from your Administrator
>> 
>> 
>>> Dear Everyone
>>> 
>>> Some in our community felt Mark's comments below about an absent Asian
>>> worker was offensive,  whilst others thought it was a legitimate attempt 
>>> to
>>> express some humour albeit stereotyping the person.
>>> Whilst a proportion of our community are not offended ( including as we 
>>> saw,
>>> an Asian teacher) , the risk of offence to some or many is very real as
>>> shown by some of the responses.
>>> 
>>> For that reason I would like to:
>>> 1. Apologise for any offence taken by the comments
>>> 2. Recommend we remain mindful that our forum is an institutionally
>>> sponsored one with support from the VCAA, Swinburne University, VITTA.
>>> Consequently, our words and actions need to be consistent with a broader 
>>> set
>>> of principles and values that do not risk an interpretation of 
>>> stereotyping
>>> any race, religion or other category or affiliation people may have be 
>>> that
>>> by choice or by birth.
>>> 
>>> If there are any views about the issue feel free to contact me directly,
>>> however I hope that you can all accept my reasons for taking this 
>>> position.
>>> 
>>> Wishing everyone the best year ever with their classes and/or any other
>>> endeavour :)
>>> 
>>> Kindest Regards
>>> 
>>> Kevork Krozian
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>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au 
>>> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>>> On Behalf Of Bucknell, Chris
>>> Sent: Friday, 18 January 2013 11:37 AM
>>> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Genius?
>>> 
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> 
>>> In this politically correct age there are still some people who are not
>>> easily offended at humour (even those that enforce stereotypes) and don't
>>> consider it appropriate to talk for everyone.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPod
>>> 
>>> On 18/01/2013, at 11:31 AM, "Therese Keane"
>>> <tkeane at swin.edu.au<mailto:tkeane at swin.edu.au>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mark
>>> 
>>> In this politically correct age we live in, these comments are very
>>> insensitive and offensive to us all.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Therese
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: 
>>> sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au>
>>> [sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au>] on
>>> behalf of Mark [mark at vceit.com<mailto:mark at vceit.com>]
>>> Sent: Thursday, 17 January 2013 2:53 PM
>>> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Genius?
>>> 
>>> Ah, Mr Kerry says he have same idea.  Velly crever.
>>> 
>>> Be sure that Mister Kerry is rearry here.  He is not at beach.
>>> Has not hired someone to write the posts here.
>>> I am totarry Mister Kerry.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Mark Kerry
>>> Person of vceit.com<http://vceit.com>
>>> 100 percents genuine.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 17 January 2013 14:06, ATKINSON-BUCK, Damien
>>> <Damien.ATKINSON-BUCK at ivanhoe.com.au<mailto:Damien.ATKINSON-BUCK at ivanhoe.com
>>> .au>> wrote:
>>> This guy takes the cake for resourcefulness! Goes a little bit against the
>>> ethical standards for programmers though
>>> 
>>> http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/software-developer-bob-o
>>> utsources-own-job-to-china-and-whiles-away-shifts-on-cat-videos-20130117-2cu
>>> ib.html
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