[Year 12 SofDev] Genius? - from your Administrator

Sat Jan 19 22:21:18 EST 2013

All good points, Robert. 

1 person offended, 3 not, the majority silent, Kevork as Administrator being a moderator as is his right and duty. 

I was not offended personally but then again, English is my native language. I can't speak for those who may be reading this list and whose native language is not English. 

Humour, according to many people, is when everyone thinks something is funny. In other words, it's not at the expense of some one or some group.  I guess that cuts out many gags. Without wanting to sound humourless, I try not to bag/tease anyone about something they cannot help. (That gets me off the hook about me losing my hair!) So looks and accents are off the list. 

Mark's contribution to the list and IT over many years speaks for itself in a very positive way. 

Let's move on to 2013 doing what we are all passionate about - use of IT and ICT to improve learning. 

Good luck over the next couple of weeks settling yourself, your students and colleagues 

Sent from my iPhone

On 19/01/2013, at 8:39 PM, "Robert Hind" <robert at yinnar.com> wrote:

> Hi Kevork,
> 
> I certainly do appreciate your concern about the list not offending people.
> 
> However, let us get this in context:
> 
> There was a comment from one person which made play of the english 
> pronunciation of  chinese speakers.
> 
> One, and one person only, objected to that and also presumed to speak for 
> all of us. She had no right to speak for us all.
> 
> Three other respondents said they were not offended by the first comment.
> 
> So we have one comment that offended one person and was not offensive to 
> three others.
> 
> So yes we do need to be careful what we say,  but I think you have taken 
> this one a bit far.
> 
> Robert Hind (Retired) OOF, GOM, COF
> ex Ashwood and Traralgon
> robert at yinnar.com
> 
> 
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> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kevork Krozian" <kevork at edulists.com.au>
> To: "'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List'" 
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> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 6:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Genius? - from your Administrator
> 
> 
>> Dear Everyone
>> 
>> Some in our community felt Mark's comments below about an absent Asian
>> worker was offensive,  whilst others thought it was a legitimate attempt 
>> to
>> express some humour albeit stereotyping the person.
>> Whilst a proportion of our community are not offended ( including as we 
>> saw,
>> an Asian teacher) , the risk of offence to some or many is very real as
>> shown by some of the responses.
>> 
>> For that reason I would like to:
>> 1. Apologise for any offence taken by the comments
>> 2. Recommend we remain mindful that our forum is an institutionally
>> sponsored one with support from the VCAA, Swinburne University, VITTA.
>> Consequently, our words and actions need to be consistent with a broader 
>> set
>> of principles and values that do not risk an interpretation of 
>> stereotyping
>> any race, religion or other category or affiliation people may have be 
>> that
>> by choice or by birth.
>> 
>> If there are any views about the issue feel free to contact me directly,
>> however I hope that you can all accept my reasons for taking this 
>> position.
>> 
>> Wishing everyone the best year ever with their classes and/or any other
>> endeavour :)
>> 
>> Kindest Regards
>> 
>> Kevork Krozian
>> Edulists Creator Administrator
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>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au 
>> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>> On Behalf Of Bucknell, Chris
>> Sent: Friday, 18 January 2013 11:37 AM
>> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Genius?
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> In this politically correct age there are still some people who are not
>> easily offended at humour (even those that enforce stereotypes) and don't
>> consider it appropriate to talk for everyone.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPod
>> 
>> On 18/01/2013, at 11:31 AM, "Therese Keane"
>> <tkeane at swin.edu.au<mailto:tkeane at swin.edu.au>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mark
>> 
>> In this politically correct age we live in, these comments are very
>> insensitive and offensive to us all.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Therese
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: 
>> sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au>
>> [sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au>] on
>> behalf of Mark [mark at vceit.com<mailto:mark at vceit.com>]
>> Sent: Thursday, 17 January 2013 2:53 PM
>> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Genius?
>> 
>> Ah, Mr Kerry says he have same idea.  Velly crever.
>> 
>> Be sure that Mister Kerry is rearry here.  He is not at beach.
>> Has not hired someone to write the posts here.
>> I am totarry Mister Kerry.
>> 
>> --
>> Mark Kerry
>> Person of vceit.com<http://vceit.com>
>> 100 percents genuine.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 17 January 2013 14:06, ATKINSON-BUCK, Damien
>> <Damien.ATKINSON-BUCK at ivanhoe.com.au<mailto:Damien.ATKINSON-BUCK at ivanhoe.com
>> .au>> wrote:
>> This guy takes the cake for resourcefulness! Goes a little bit against the
>> ethical standards for programmers though
>> 
>> http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/software-developer-bob-o
>> utsources-own-job-to-china-and-whiles-away-shifts-on-cat-videos-20130117-2cu
>> ib.html
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