[Year 12 SofDev] Genius? - from your Administrator

Lythgo, Danny R lythgo.danny.r at edumail.vic.gov.au
Sat Jan 19 22:58:58 EST 2013 

Mark, your efforts to share freel;y with this group speaks volumes of your
generosity and kindness to ALL I agree we need to move on, over analysis
of everything = non effort of many others. Please keep up your unequalled
effort Mark.

Danny Lythgo



On 1/19/13 10:35 PM, "Callil, Philip" <Callil_P at materchristi.edu.au> wrote:

>Sorry, hit send accidentally....
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On 19/01/2013, at 10:21 PM, "Callil, Philip"
><Callil_P at MaterChristi.edu.au> wrote:
>
>> All good points, Robert.
>> 
>> 1 person offended, 3 not, the majority silent, Kevork as Administrator
>>being a moderator as is his right and duty.
>> 
>> I was not offended personally but then again, English is my native
>>language. I can't speak for those who may be reading this list and whose
>>native language is not English.
>> 
>> Humour, according to many people, is when everyone thinks something is
>>funny. In other words, it's not at the expense of some one or some
>>group.  I guess that cuts out many gags. Without wanting to sound
>>humourless, I try not to bag/tease anyone about something they cannot
>>help. (That gets me off the hook about me losing my hair!) So looks and
>>accents are off the list.
>> 
>> Mark's contribution to the list and IT over many years speaks for
>>itself in a very positive way.
>> 
>> Let's move on to 2013 doing what we are all passionate about - use of
>>IT and ICT to improve learning.
>> 
>> Good luck over the next couple of weeks settling yourself, your
>>students and colleagues
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 19/01/2013, at 8:39 PM, "Robert Hind" <robert at yinnar.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Kevork,
>>> 
>>> I certainly do appreciate your concern about the list not offending
>>>people.
>>> 
>>> However, let us get this in context:
>>> 
>>> There was a comment from one person which made play of the english
>>> pronunciation of  chinese speakers.
>>> 
>>> One, and one person only, objected to that and also presumed to speak
>>>for 
>>> all of us. She had no right to speak for us all.
>>> 
>>> Three other respondents said they were not offended by the first
>>>comment.
>>> 
>>> So we have one comment that offended one person and was not offensive
>>>to 
>>> three others.
>>> 
>>> So yes we do need to be careful what we say,  but I think you have
>>>taken 
>>> this one a bit far.
>>> 
>>> Robert Hind (Retired) OOF, GOM, COF
>>> ex Ashwood and Traralgon
>>> robert at yinnar.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Kevork Krozian" <kevork at edulists.com.au>
>>> To: "'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List'"
>>> <sofdev at edulists.com.au>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 6:51 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Genius? - from your Administrator
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Dear Everyone
>>>> 
>>>> Some in our community felt Mark's comments below about an absent Asian
>>>> worker was offensive,  whilst others thought it was a legitimate
>>>>attempt 
>>>> to
>>>> express some humour albeit stereotyping the person.
>>>> Whilst a proportion of our community are not offended ( including as
>>>>we 
>>>> saw,
>>>> an Asian teacher) , the risk of offence to some or many is very real
>>>>as
>>>> shown by some of the responses.
>>>> 
>>>> For that reason I would like to:
>>>> 1. Apologise for any offence taken by the comments
>>>> 2. Recommend we remain mindful that our forum is an institutionally
>>>> sponsored one with support from the VCAA, Swinburne University, VITTA.
>>>> Consequently, our words and actions need to be consistent with a
>>>>broader 
>>>> set
>>>> of principles and values that do not risk an interpretation of
>>>> stereotyping
>>>> any race, religion or other category or affiliation people may have
>>>>be 
>>>> that
>>>> by choice or by birth.
>>>> 
>>>> If there are any views about the issue feel free to contact me
>>>>directly,
>>>> however I hope that you can all accept my reasons for taking this
>>>> position.
>>>> 
>>>> Wishing everyone the best year ever with their classes and/or any
>>>>other
>>>> endeavour :)
>>>> 
>>>> Kindest Regards
>>>> 
>>>> Kevork Krozian
>>>> Edulists Creator Administrator
>>>> www.edulists.com.au
>>>> tel: 0419 356 034
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au
>>>> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>>>> On Behalf Of Bucknell, Chris
>>>> Sent: Friday, 18 January 2013 11:37 AM
>>>> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Genius?
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>> 
>>>> In this politically correct age there are still some people who are
>>>>not
>>>> easily offended at humour (even those that enforce stereotypes) and
>>>>don't
>>>> consider it appropriate to talk for everyone.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPod
>>>> 
>>>> On 18/01/2013, at 11:31 AM, "Therese Keane"
>>>> <tkeane at swin.edu.au<mailto:tkeane at swin.edu.au>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Mark
>>>> 
>>>> In this politically correct age we live in, these comments are very
>>>> insensitive and offensive to us all.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Therese
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: 
>>>> sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au>
>>>> 
>>>>[sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au>]
>>>> on
>>>> behalf of Mark [mark at vceit.com<mailto:mark at vceit.com>]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, 17 January 2013 2:53 PM
>>>> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Genius?
>>>> 
>>>> Ah, Mr Kerry says he have same idea.  Velly crever.
>>>> 
>>>> Be sure that Mister Kerry is rearry here.  He is not at beach.
>>>> Has not hired someone to write the posts here.
>>>> I am totarry Mister Kerry.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Mark Kerry
>>>> Person of vceit.com<http://vceit.com>
>>>> 100 percents genuine.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 17 January 2013 14:06, ATKINSON-BUCK, Damien
>>>> 
>>>><Damien.ATKINSON-BUCK at ivanhoe.com.au<mailto:Damien.ATKINSON-BUCK at ivanho
>>>>e.com
>>>> .au>> wrote:
>>>> This guy takes the cake for resourcefulness! Goes a little bit
>>>>against the
>>>> ethical standards for programmers though
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/software-developer-
>>>>bob-o
>>>> 
>>>>utsources-own-job-to-china-and-whiles-away-shifts-on-cat-videos-2013011
>>>>7-2cu
>>>> ib.html
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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