[Year 12 SofDev] App development

Sat May 26 18:34:30 EST 2012

Hi again Trav,

     I think all our efforts to bring xcode to students will be worthwhile.
I don't mean to favour one platform over another but to relay some
experiences. 

I am about to get a separate IOS on line community ( mailing list ) set up
to start building our obviously huge interest and passion for mobile
technologies. 
I had a colleague ask me 3 years ago what I thought elearning would look
like in the near future and my response was " interactive digital mobile
learning". 
This will be true of all learning inevitably.  To be clear, we are looking
at the use of these technologies, but influencing/creating the content that
is built on/in/with them.

My students in Yr 12 don't really understand what paper is anymore. Only
under extreme duress do they draw a UCD or DFD on paper and then capture an
image to put into their documents.
Most want to simply use gliffy or other software package and feel it is a
natural part of the learning to master this tool to then answer questions
about an SRS or sample SAC or learning activity.

I am about to get a separate IOS on line community ( mailing list )
happening to start building our obviously huge interest and passion for
mobile technologies. 
At this stage which communities ( forums, mailing lists ) do people think we
need ?

1. iphone, ipad or just IOS ?
2. Android  ?
3. Windows Phone ?
4. Games for learning with mobile apps ?
5. Mobile learning ?

Others ??

Kind Regards 

Kevork Krozian
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Hi Trav,

 Yes, the investment is not lost on me.  I just hope xcode is not a negative
experience for teachers and students due to its difficulties.
I say this because I have taught XNA/Visual C# to Yr 9 and 10 for more than
3 years and most struggled. 

Keep well 

Kevork Krozian
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Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2012 11:57 AM
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Kevork,

The thing with Adrian (And myself) is that our schools have invested a large
amount of time and money into iPad programs and I checked out appinventor
and it seems that they only export to android devices?

There seems to be a text on "App inventing for iPhones" by Graeme Summers
that I am ordering (Thanks Adrian) and a few of us are trying to organise a
new year 10 iOS app development course. If anyone is interested please speak
up!

Cheers

Trav

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Kevork Krozian
Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2012 11:14 AM
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Hi Adrian,

   This is all very useful to all of our colleagues.

I recently completed an Android app writing PD at Swinburne Uni Hawthorn
using appinventor ( see appinventor.org ) and found it very powerful and
effortless in transferring to a phone or sharing with other phones. For
those who don't have a phone an emulator will still allow testing of the app
on Mac or PC. The resources (software, textbooks, completed apps ) are free
online. The programming environment is a "scratch" type with no actual
coding but a GUI to connect objects, add methods, change properties and
parameters. This would translate to a Yr 8 to 10 course so much more easily
than say writing code in XNA or in Objective C I feel.

  There are sections on using multi dimensional arrays, saving to a database
and much more. Is it starting to look like it could slot into Software
Development as a language ? Of course the coding would have to be done in
Java for it to be acceptable. There are efforts to provide a java view of
the Appinventor GUI see http://www.appinventor.org/roadmap
but that would need to be clarified for Units 3 and 4 Software Development
purposes.

    An equally useful discussion would be to compare the competing app
writing and programming options. eg. Cost of registering as a devloper ?
How much will students understand when writing code in a language like
Objective C or C# for that matter ?

    One of the most useful apps in this series I worked on was "Find my car"
which allows recording of the current location using the GPS feature in the
phone and then after moving to another location requesting a map showing how
to find the car again. This interfaced with a voice feature where
instructions are announced on how to find your way back to the car or if
they are in the same spot, the family members you may have lost ......

    All very exciting ...

Keep well

Kevork

> Hi Travis,
>
> Apologies for the previous email - I have just transitioned to a new 
> notebook and I had not set up my email signature yet!
>
> I also hope I didn't get your hopes up! - basically what I wanted to 
> say is that I have been teaching myself x-code / objective c this year

> and also plan to run an iPhone / iPad dev course in 2013 - I would 
> love to collaborate on something if you are interested?
>
> Cheers,
> Adrian
>
>
> Adrian Janson B.Sc, Dip.Ed, M.Ed
> eLearning Coordinator
> Melbourne High School, Forrest Hill, South Yarra, Victoria 3141
Australia.
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>
> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au
> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> On Behalf Of Travis Parker
> Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 1:56 PM
> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] App development Sorry for the x-posts!)
>
> Dear All,
>
> Now that we have about 2250 iPads floating around the college, I was 
> thinking of implementing an "App Development" course at year 10 next 
> year that will run for a semester. We have also got a lab of 30 iMacs 
> and  was going to use them to create iPad apps (Using XCode???). I was

> wondering whether anyone does anything similar to this currently, or 
> has any ideas on what to include. I'd be happy to share and compare 
> notes and experiences with any interested parties.
>
> Cheers
>
> Trav
>
>
>
> Travis Parker
> Head of ICT and E-Learning
> Beaconhills College
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