[Year 12 SofDev] Design of User Interface
Don Morelli Optus
da_morelli at optusnet.com.au
Wed Sep 10 18:49:27 EST 2008
Mark, I agree that we are splitting hairs but I still say that the ONLY
concern that I have is what the exam markers will do. As this discussion
shows, teachers are saying different things to their student groups and I
would hate for a group of students to be penalized for giving a response
that their teacher had taught them. I would hope that the exam markers, in
their initial meetings, would decide to accept either as an answer on the
end of year paper, especially if any of them have been following this
thread.
Cheers Don
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From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au]
On Behalf Of Mark Kelly
Sent: Wednesday, 10 September 2008 9:07 AM
To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Design of User Interface
IMHO, the _creation_ of high-quality user interface would certainly
happen during development, but it would only be high-quality if it were
designed to be so - during design phase.
Anyway, I think we're splitting hairs. There are more important and
basic things our darlings are likely to mess up completely.
I trust everyone is doing a quick review of two-dimensional arrays just
in case the exam is going to again be - um - "challenging" ;-)
Don Morelli Optus wrote:
> In the study design it talks about *characteristics of high-quality user
> interface, *under key knowledge in the DEVELOPMENT phase of the SDLC and
> not in the design phase. If the SD is the bible, then the implication is
> that the correct answer would have to be the DEVELOPMENT phase of the
> SDLC. I also agree that if we are talking about Stages Of Software
> Development then the user interface would be developed in the Design
> phase of this "cycle". I agree that it makes sense to me that it should
> be in the design phase of the SDLC as well as the design phase of the
> Stages of SD, but what I think doesn't count at this time-only at review
> time.
>
> The only concern that I would have about this is what the markers will
> do at the end of the year. Will they accept both as there seems to be
> some difference of opinion between teachers of the subject or will they
> only accept the one answer-what the study design states.
>
> My 2c worth
>
> Don Morelli
>
> Mt Lilydale Mercy College
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au
> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Adrian Janson
> *Sent:* Monday, 8 September 2008 12:43 PM
> *To:* 'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List'
> *Subject:* RE: [Year 12 SofDev] Design of User Interface
>
>
>
> Yes - agree. But the question is talking about the SDLC (which is
> looking at the whole system) and we are thinking purely about the
> software (which is developed in the development phase of the SDLC). OK
> - I'll be quiet now! J
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Adrian
>
>
>
> *Adrian Janson, *
>
> *VITTA President*
>
> *Director of ICT, *
>
> Melbourne High School,
>
> Forrest Hill, South Yarra 3141 Australia.
>
> Phone: 03 9826 0711 International: +61 3 9826 0711
>
> Fax: 03 9826 8767 International: +61 3 9826 8767
>
> E-mail: janson.adrian.a at edumail.vic.gov.au
> <mailto:janson.adrian.a at edumail.vic.gov.au>
>
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>
>
>
> *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au
> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Quentin Lydall
> *Sent:* Monday, 8 September 2008 12:35 PM
> *To:* Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* RE: [Year 12 SofDev] Design of User Interface
>
>
>
> Well, my industry experience was that designs had to be produced and
> signed off by users before budget was released for development work to
> start. That included interfaces, very definitely; they were picky about
> how they would look and what functionality they would have!
>
>
>
> I still think it is in the Design stage!
>
>
>
> Quentin Lydall
>
> Head of ICT
>
> Beaconhills College Valley Campus
>
> 30-34 Toomuc Valley Road,
>
> Pakenham
>
> 3810
>
> Phone:(03) 5945 0016
>
> P/ //Please consider the environment before printing my email/
>
>
>
> *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au
> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Adrian Janson
> *Sent:* Monday, 8 September 2008 11:50 AM
> *To:* 'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List'
> *Subject:* RE: [Year 12 SofDev] Design of User Interface
>
>
>
> Actually on second thoughts I can see why Development is the suggested
> answer. It is during the development phase that the software
> development itself takes place - and the Design phase is really about
> selecting hardware, software and determining features of the system
> rather than getting stuck into details such as UI's. The design phase
> might determine that a software package needs to be created and have
> certain requirements - and some designs might be created which represent
> what the UI should ideally look like. But it is a lot like a concept
> sketch of a new house versus a detailed plan of what each of the rooms
> will look like.
>
>
>
> I change my vote!
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Adrian
>
>
>
> *Adrian Janson, *
>
> *VITTA President*
>
> *Director of ICT, *
>
> Melbourne High School,
>
> Forrest Hill, South Yarra 3141 Australia.
>
> Phone: 03 9826 0711 International: +61 3 9826 0711
>
> Fax: 03 9826 8767 International: +61 3 9826 8767
>
> E-mail: janson.adrian.a at edumail.vic.gov.au
> <mailto:janson.adrian.a at edumail.vic.gov.au>
>
> Website: http://www.mhs.vic.edu.au
>
> Blog: http://jansona.edublogs.org <http://jansona.edublogs.org/>
>
>
>
> *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au
> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Adrian Janson
> *Sent:* Monday, 8 September 2008 11:34 AM
> *To:* 'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List'
> *Subject:* RE: [Year 12 SofDev] Design of User Interface
>
>
>
> Hi Quentin,
>
>
>
> The key word would seem to be 'designing' so in this respect 'Design'
> would be the most correct response.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Adrian
>
>
>
> *Adrian Janson, *
>
> *VITTA President*
>
> *Director of ICT, *
>
> Melbourne High School,
>
> Forrest Hill, South Yarra 3141 Australia.
>
> Phone: 03 9826 0711 International: +61 3 9826 0711
>
> Fax: 03 9826 8767 International: +61 3 9826 8767
>
> E-mail: janson.adrian.a at edumail.vic.gov.au
> <mailto:janson.adrian.a at edumail.vic.gov.au>
>
> Website: http://www.mhs.vic.edu.au
>
> Blog: http://jansona.edublogs.org <http://jansona.edublogs.org/>
>
>
>
> *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au
> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Quentin Lydall
> *Sent:* Monday, 8 September 2008 11:02 AM
> *To:* Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* [Year 12 SofDev] Design of User Interface
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Question 2 of Section B of VITTA sample exam 3, 2007, (whew!) asks what
> stage if the SDLC designing the user interface takes place. The
> supplied answer is Development. Can someone please help me explain to
> my students why it does not happen during the design stage?
>
>
>
> Thanks!!
>
>
>
> Quentin Lydall
>
> Head of ICT
>
> Beaconhills College Valley Campus
>
> 30-34 Toomuc Valley Road,
>
> Pakenham
>
> 3810
>
> Phone:(03) 5945 0016
>
> P/ //Please consider the environment before printing my email/
>
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