[Year 12 SofDev] Item in VCAA bulletin

[Adrian Janson]

Hi Tony,

Actually, VB.Net is not about dropping "prepackaged VB controls onto a form"
in much the same way as teaching is not just dropping a text book on a
student's head (much as I would like to do this sometimes).  It is not
possible to 'write' a VB.Net program in this way - let alone one with any
sort of functionality or usability.

I would argue that software development is ALL about GUI's and user
interfaces. 

Cheers,
Adrian


Adrian Janson
VITTA President
Director of ICT, Melbourne High School
  

-----Original Message-----
From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au]
On Behalf Of Tony Forster
Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 9:31 AM
To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Item in VCAA bulletin

Thanks Donna for the Python link

I expect that any programming language that can write graphics to the screen

can be used to create a GUI. To prove that point I have created a 
wordprocessor GUI at http://www.schoolgamemaker.rupert.id.au/morethan.htm 
with GameMaker from graphics primitives.

What I would question is why the requirement to make a GUI is in there at 
all? It all seems VB centric. Where is the real challenge in dropping a few 
prepackaged VB controls onto a form? Software is a rapidly moving area, 
surely students should be working with more universal concepts such as 
control structures and data structures rather than concentrating on recipe 
book implementation of specific features such as list boxes and comboboxes?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donna Benjamin" <donna at vitta.org.au>
To: "Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List" 
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Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Item in VCAA bulletin


>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=python+GUI+development
>
> ----- "Mark Kelly" <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au> wrote:
>> Note page 8 - U4O1 descriptor has been changed.
>>
>> Features of approved languages for 2008
>> List of approved languages
>>
>> I note that one feature expected of an approved language is the
>> ability
>> to develop a GUI... and I don't believe Python can do that by
>> itself...
>> interesting.
>>
>> And FoxPro - from my memories of about 10 years ago - is a database.
>> I
>> wonder how it crept in as a full-blown programming language.  Must
>> look
>> into that.
>>
>> Mark
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