[Year 12 SofDev] Item in VCAA bulletin

[Gordon Poultney]

here we go again - it's just like last year - plus ca change...!

                          gordon


>
> Hi Tony,
>
> Actually, VB.Net is not about dropping "prepackaged VB controls onto a
> form"
> in much the same way as teaching is not just dropping a text book on a
> student's head (much as I would like to do this sometimes).  It is not
> possible to 'write' a VB.Net program in this way - let alone one with any
> sort of functionality or usability.
>
> I would argue that software development is ALL about GUI's and user
> interfaces.
>
> Cheers,
> Adrian
>
>
> Adrian Janson
> VITTA President
> Director of ICT, Melbourne High School
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au
> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> On Behalf Of Tony Forster
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 9:31 AM
> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Item in VCAA bulletin
>
> Thanks Donna for the Python link
>
> I expect that any programming language that can write graphics to the
> screen
>
> can be used to create a GUI. To prove that point I have created a
> wordprocessor GUI at http://www.schoolgamemaker.rupert.id.au/morethan.htm
> with GameMaker from graphics primitives.
>
> What I would question is why the requirement to make a GUI is in there at
> all? It all seems VB centric. Where is the real challenge in dropping a
> few
> prepackaged VB controls onto a form? Software is a rapidly moving area,
> surely students should be working with more universal concepts such as
> control structures and data structures rather than concentrating on recipe
> book implementation of specific features such as list boxes and
> comboboxes?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donna Benjamin" <donna at vitta.org.au>
> To: "Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List"
> <sofdev at edulists.com.au>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 9:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Item in VCAA bulletin
>
>
>>
>> http://www.google.com/search?q=python+GUI+development
>>
>> ----- "Mark Kelly" <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au> wrote:
>>> Note page 8 - U4O1 descriptor has been changed.
>>>
>>> Features of approved languages for 2008
>>> List of approved languages
>>>
>>> I note that one feature expected of an approved language is the
>>> ability
>>> to develop a GUI... and I don't believe Python can do that by
>>> itself...
>>> interesting.
>>>
>>> And FoxPro - from my memories of about 10 years ago - is a database.
>>> I
>>> wonder how it crept in as a full-blown programming language.  Must
>>> look
>>> into that.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
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Gordon Poultney