[Year 12 IT Apps] Year 12 Info Tech

Wed Dec 7 12:09:53 EST 2011

Ok that was a joke - My wife teaches Psych so I'm always getting into
her about it! They are very protective of its status. I inform her that
I studied Computer Science, so why aren't we included?

Here is something to sort the wheat from the chaff, so to speak next
year in IT Apps. Start databases with......

"A SQL query walks into a bar. Up the other end are two tables. The
query walks up to them and asks 'Mind if I join you?'"

If the students don't laugh then you should recommend they do another
subject. When I told it I heard crickets!

Cheers

Trav

From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au
[mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Robert Hind
Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2011 12:04 PM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Year 12 Info Tech

Hi Travis,

It doesn't matter what you or I or even your school thinks Psychology
is. The VCAA says it is a Science subject. 

I remember many years ago, 1967 to be exact, Geography was classed as
both Science and Humanities at Form 5 to help kids satisfy course
requirements. :-)

Robert Hind (Semi-retired) OOF, GOM, COF
Ashwood and Traralgon
robert at yinnar.com

	----- Original Message ----- 

	From: Travis Parker
<mailto:Travis.Parker at beaconhills.vic.edu.au>  

	To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
<mailto:itapps at edulists.com.au>  

	Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 11:43 AM

	Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Year 12 Info Tech

	Litsa - My school tends to have more students doing Psychology
as it is a Science.

	At best a pseudo-Science. We classify it as a Humanities
subject!

	From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au
[mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au]
<mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au]>  On Behalf Of Mann, Warrick D
	Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2011 10:10 AM
	To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
	Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Year 12 Info Tech

	Hi All,,

	As someone who still works in "real world" IT, I see the course
as highly relevant.

	As to "real info tech", which IT stream are we talking about?
Programming? Project Management? Systems Analyst? Systems Architect?

	IT is Business management with specific set of skills - If IT
cannot integrate successfully into a business, it will not be adopted
effectively or run efficiently.

	Warrick Mann

	From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au
[mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Andrew Shortell
	Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2011 9:20 AM
	To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
	Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Year 12 Info Tech

	Perhaps we could move those business functions out of IT and
into the business subjects because all subjects are supposed to have ICT
and the business stuff is certainly not real computing science

	Then we would be left with just computing in in the computing
subject!!

	The business people would be delighted because then they could
teach it their way and teach "at the point of need to know" always a
more effective way of ensuring students pay attention!

	And we would all be happy because we could do real computing in
the computing subject.

	Andrew

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	On 7/12/11 4:05 AM, "Mark Scott" <msc at luther.vic.edu.au> wrote:

	It would kill the subject completely here at Luther.

	Mark Scott
	Luther College

________________________________

	From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au
[itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Roland Gesthuizen
[rgesthuizen at gmail.com]
	Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 11:40 PM
	To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
	Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] Year 12 Info Tech

	Here is an interesting question I could toss to this group to
mull over. 

	When we consider the progressive declining enrollment in the
year 12 IS and ITA, is there merit in a long term thought to combine the
two into a single year 12 Info Tech subject?

	No agenda, just plain old curious about your thoughts.

	Regards Roland

	On 6 December 2011 17:33, Robert Hind <robert at yinnar.com> wrote:

	So let's get this back where it belongs! Or at least separate
the ItApps and the SoftDev discussions.

	Thanks folks! 

	Robert Hind (Semi-retired) OOF, GOM, COF
	Ashwood and Traralgon
	robert at yinnar.com

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