[Year 12 IT Apps] U302

Fri Apr 30 19:53:31 EST 2010

Well Robert, thanks for your advice but I hardly think what I said was offensive.

We can't tiptoe on eggshells all our lives but it's no wonder most of us do!

Andrew, I apologise, my comment was not meant to be offensive, it was merely meant to suggest that you haven't really looked at the two products (Dreamweaver and EE)  if that's how you feel about them.

Cheers

-----Original Message-----
From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Robert Hind
Sent: Friday, 30 April 2010 6:47 PM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] U302

Hi Brett,

ROTFL -  man! - NOT!

You might not agree with Andrew - as I do not - but to put your very negative response out on the list, rather than just contacting Andrew directly really is not the way to go.

So how can I say it - Can't find  an acronym, sorry, so just "Engage your brain before emailing" will have to do.

Robert Hind (Semi-retired)
Ashwood and Traralgon
robert at yinnar.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Davies, Brett" <bdavies at woodleigh.vic.edu.au>
To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List" 
<itapps at edulists.com.au>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 6:25 PM
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] U302

> Andrew,
>
> LOL - man that's a statement!!!
>
> Expression Web and Dreamweaver are absolutely full featured professional 
> web authoring products. They are responsible for millions of interactive 
> websites throughout the web.  You just need to learn how to use them 
> properly.
>
> I'm not knocking VWD, it has its place, but on your statement re these two 
> products I suggest you haven't much of an idea what you are talking about.
>
> Have a good weekend.
>
> Brett
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au 
> [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Townsley, Andrew A
> Sent: Friday, 30 April 2010 5:34 PM
> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] U302
>
> Hi,
>
> I really wouldnt bother with expression web or dreamweaver  IMHO.
> IT isnt a professional product like VWD which you can easily add 
> interactive content and it is free.
> This will teach actually skills that some students can extend their 
> learning on.
>
> Next best would be PHP. YOu dont need to code interactive stuff but this 
> will cater for all learners.
>
> A.Townsley
> townsley.andrew.a at edumail.vic.gov.au
> Fountain Gate SC
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Bane, Janet A
> Sent: Fri 30/04/2010 4:24 PM
> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] U302
>
> Hi all
>
> I have been dragged (kicking and screaming), into the wonderful world of 
> Expression Web.  Our technicians took away Front Page when we upgraded to 
> Windows 7.
>
> The first thing I found out was that there are very few good resources out 
> there, and even fewer people who could actually show/tell  me what to do. 
> Lots of stuff had changed (or maybe it hadn't, I just couldn't find it). 
> SO ....   after lots of tense moments, I have come up with a set of notes, 
> written for Expression Web users, based on the notes I did earlier for 
> Front Page.  It follows the development of the website for Fast Feet, 
> which I'm sure most people are familiar with, if they have the VITTA CD 
> for the current study design.
>
> It is now available on the VITTA site, under the title: Fast feet with 
> Expression web.
>
> It goes through the steps involved in creating and developing the website 
> for Fast Feet.  It contains Home, Management, Production, Customer and 
> Bulletin Board pages and a Staff login page as well as some theory 
> questions along the way.  The customer page is optional as the website is 
> for the virtual team, however I include it to show students how to use 
> form elements.
>
> I hope this will be a useful resource for others, and if you have 
> comments/suggestions/tips about Expression Web that you want to share I, 
> for one, would be most grateful.
>
> regards
>
>
> Janet Bane
> Patterson River SC
>
>  _____
>
> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Mark KELLY
> Sent: Thu 29-Apr-10 8:25 AM
> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] U302
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Townsley, Andrew A 
> <townsley.andrew.a at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Reading the Study Design for unit 302 I am seeing that students need to 
> create a website with 'non-functional' interactive content for a virtual 
> team. Also they need to evaluate it.
>
> 1)If my students know how to make websites already then what new skills do 
> I need to teach them for this?
>
>
>
>
> The webmaking skills are pretty modest, so not a lot of training may be 
> required.  That's why I do U3O2 as the first outcome.  What the kids do 
> need to know is the needs of a virtual team and how they can be satisfied 
> with a website.  That's really what is being assessed (as well as the 
> basic networking knowledge required.)
>
> Their site has to demonstrate an ability to help a vt share information 
> and make decisions, and the kids have to demonstrate appropriate tools to 
> achieve those ends (e.g. chat, wiki, forum, shared calendar, security 
> [e.g. a simulated login page to their site], file exchange, team contacts 
> etc).
>
> Since most of these tools will have to be simulated because of the 
> restrictions in a classroom environment, their image editing skills will 
> need to be developed so they can doctor screenshots of such tools in 
> action.
>
>
> I can add interactive content with VS2008 VWD ( I hope people are using 
> this or PHP and not dreamweaver/frontpage).
> The example SAC's I saw didn't really expand on basic web site building 
> skills.
>
>
>
>
> Don't get distracted by spending huge efforts trying to make functional 
> sites: that is not really the point of the outcome.  It's about the needs 
> of virtual teams.  Software Development is the arena for cracking open 
> VS2008...
>
>
>
>
>
> A.Townsley
> townsley.andrew.a at edumail.vic.gov.au
> Fountain Gate SC
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