[Year 12 IT Apps] U302

Fri Apr 30 18:47:04 EST 2010

Hi Brett,

ROTFL -  man! - NOT!

You might not agree with Andrew - as I do not - but to put your very 
negative response out on the list, rather than just contacting Andrew 
directly really is not the way to go.

So how can I say it - Can't find  an acronym, sorry, so just "Engage your 
brain before emailing" will have to do.

Robert Hind (Semi-retired)
Ashwood and Traralgon
robert at yinnar.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Davies, Brett" <bdavies at woodleigh.vic.edu.au>
To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List" 
<itapps at edulists.com.au>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 6:25 PM
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] U302

> Andrew,
>
> LOL - man that's a statement!!!
>
> Expression Web and Dreamweaver are absolutely full featured professional 
> web authoring products. They are responsible for millions of interactive 
> websites throughout the web.  You just need to learn how to use them 
> properly.
>
> I'm not knocking VWD, it has its place, but on your statement re these two 
> products I suggest you haven't much of an idea what you are talking about.
>
> Have a good weekend.
>
> Brett
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au 
> [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Townsley, Andrew A
> Sent: Friday, 30 April 2010 5:34 PM
> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] U302
>
> Hi,
>
> I really wouldnt bother with expression web or dreamweaver  IMHO.
> IT isnt a professional product like VWD which you can easily add 
> interactive content and it is free.
> This will teach actually skills that some students can extend their 
> learning on.
>
> Next best would be PHP. YOu dont need to code interactive stuff but this 
> will cater for all learners.
>
> A.Townsley
> townsley.andrew.a at edumail.vic.gov.au
> Fountain Gate SC
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Bane, Janet A
> Sent: Fri 30/04/2010 4:24 PM
> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] U302
>
> Hi all
>
> I have been dragged (kicking and screaming), into the wonderful world of 
> Expression Web.  Our technicians took away Front Page when we upgraded to 
> Windows 7.
>
> The first thing I found out was that there are very few good resources out 
> there, and even fewer people who could actually show/tell  me what to do. 
> Lots of stuff had changed (or maybe it hadn't, I just couldn't find it). 
> SO ....   after lots of tense moments, I have come up with a set of notes, 
> written for Expression Web users, based on the notes I did earlier for 
> Front Page.  It follows the development of the website for Fast Feet, 
> which I'm sure most people are familiar with, if they have the VITTA CD 
> for the current study design.
>
> It is now available on the VITTA site, under the title: Fast feet with 
> Expression web.
>
> It goes through the steps involved in creating and developing the website 
> for Fast Feet.  It contains Home, Management, Production, Customer and 
> Bulletin Board pages and a Staff login page as well as some theory 
> questions along the way.  The customer page is optional as the website is 
> for the virtual team, however I include it to show students how to use 
> form elements.
>
> I hope this will be a useful resource for others, and if you have 
> comments/suggestions/tips about Expression Web that you want to share I, 
> for one, would be most grateful.
>
> regards
>
>
> Janet Bane
> Patterson River SC
>
>  _____
>
> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Mark KELLY
> Sent: Thu 29-Apr-10 8:25 AM
> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] U302
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Townsley, Andrew A 
> <townsley.andrew.a at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Reading the Study Design for unit 302 I am seeing that students need to 
> create a website with 'non-functional' interactive content for a virtual 
> team. Also they need to evaluate it.
>
> 1)If my students know how to make websites already then what new skills do 
> I need to teach them for this?
>
>
>
>
> The webmaking skills are pretty modest, so not a lot of training may be 
> required.  That's why I do U3O2 as the first outcome.  What the kids do 
> need to know is the needs of a virtual team and how they can be satisfied 
> with a website.  That's really what is being assessed (as well as the 
> basic networking knowledge required.)
>
> Their site has to demonstrate an ability to help a vt share information 
> and make decisions, and the kids have to demonstrate appropriate tools to 
> achieve those ends (e.g. chat, wiki, forum, shared calendar, security 
> [e.g. a simulated login page to their site], file exchange, team contacts 
> etc).
>
> Since most of these tools will have to be simulated because of the 
> restrictions in a classroom environment, their image editing skills will 
> need to be developed so they can doctor screenshots of such tools in 
> action.
>
>
> I can add interactive content with VS2008 VWD ( I hope people are using 
> this or PHP and not dreamweaver/frontpage).
> The example SAC's I saw didn't really expand on basic web site building 
> skills.
>
>
>
>
> Don't get distracted by spending huge efforts trying to make functional 
> sites: that is not really the point of the outcome.  It's about the needs 
> of virtual teams.  Software Development is the arena for cracking open 
> VS2008...
>
>
>
>
>
> A.Townsley
> townsley.andrew.a at edumail.vic.gov.au
> Fountain Gate SC
>
>
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