[Year 12 IT Apps] REVIEW OF VCE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY, SUMMARY OF PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE STUDY DESIGN

[Mark Kelly]

Easily solved.  Make ITA a compulsory subject along with English  :-)

margaret.lawson at konstantkaos.net wrote:
> Brendyn
> 
> I agree, I would love to see ITA be a pre-requisite for a uni course. It
> would give us as teachers a bit more validation and also the kids who are
> doing it. The number of times I have heard kids say "I'm not doing IT
> because it doesn't count towards anything" ... it saddens me.
> 
> I am sure that if we put our heads together collectively, we could come up
> with an engaging way of teaching databases.
> 
> IT will never have the enrollments to match English or some of the other
> trendy subjects (like psychology). But it would be great if it could stand
> on it's own two feet as a discipline rather than a subject that panders to
> the needs of an ICT committee. I think that more of an emphasis on
> databases might do this.
> 
> 
> :)
> 
> Margaret
> 
>> All
>>
>> Great conversation.
>>
>> My question is why do we have to keep tarting up our subject so that its
>> attractive. Is subject content "student driven" ? should it not be
>> market (real world) driven?
>>
>> I know the reality! We do not offer U3-4 this year. Its boring. Its to
>> hard. Plus their thousand other reasons.
>>
>> Id love to see the maths and English guys have this discussion. How many
>> kids would do English or maths if they did not have to. It seems to me
>> that sometimes we have dumb down our course, in order to attract
>> enrolments, to a point now where no real post secondary study requires
>> it as a pre-rec so no students thinks its important to have. They say "
>> I can still do IT at uni even if I do not do IT in high school..."
>>
>> I'm getting tired of this "your subject is only valid if you can match
>> it up against VELS or you can sex it up so kids will choose it."
>>
>> My 2.3 cents worth
>>
>> Brendyn
>>
>> Nagle College
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au
>> [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Robert
>> Sent: Tuesday, 18 August 2009 3:30 PM
>> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] REVIEW OF VCE INFORMATION
>> TECHNOLOGY,SUMMARY OF PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE STUDY DESIGN
>>
>> Oh dear!
>>
>> I happen to like databases. They are used considerably in the "real
>> world".
>> Sure they are not the only IT app, but should we "tart" the course up to
>>
>> attract the less interested students, or should we have a course that
>> does
>> mirror the real world of IT?
>>
>> Robert Hind (Semi-retired)
>> Ashwood and Traralgon
>> robert at yinnar.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mark Kelly" <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au>
>> To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List"
>> <itapps at edulists.com.au>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 3:18 PM
>> Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] REVIEW OF VCE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY, SUMMARY
>> OF
>> PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE STUDY DESIGN
>>
>>
>>> http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/vceconsult/itsumofchanges.doc
>>>
>>> *TWO* ITA outcomes using databases?  O! no no no...
>>>
>>> ITA enrolments have been bad enough recently.
>>>
>>> This will surely kill them stone dead.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mark Kelly
>>> Manager - Information Systems
>>> McKinnon Secondary College
>>> kel AT mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au
>>> McKinnon Rd, McKinnon 3204, Victoria, Australia
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>> Date: 2009-08-19 11:18:52.717
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-- 
Mark Kelly
Manager - Information Systems
McKinnon Secondary College
kel AT mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au
McKinnon Rd, McKinnon 3204, Victoria, Australia
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Why do people mis-spell 'grammar' and mispronounce 'pronuniciation'?