[Year 12 IT Apps] REVIEW OF VCE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY, SUMMARY OF PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE STUDY DESIGN

[margaret.lawson at konstantkaos.net]

Brendyn

I agree, I would love to see ITA be a pre-requisite for a uni course. It
would give us as teachers a bit more validation and also the kids who are
doing it. The number of times I have heard kids say "I'm not doing IT
because it doesn't count towards anything" ... it saddens me.

I am sure that if we put our heads together collectively, we could come up
with an engaging way of teaching databases.

IT will never have the enrollments to match English or some of the other
trendy subjects (like psychology). But it would be great if it could stand
on it's own two feet as a discipline rather than a subject that panders to
the needs of an ICT committee. I think that more of an emphasis on
databases might do this.


:)

Margaret

> All
>
> Great conversation.
>
> My question is why do we have to keep tarting up our subject so that its
> attractive. Is subject content "student driven" ? should it not be
> market (real world) driven?
>
> I know the reality! We do not offer U3-4 this year. Its boring. Its to
> hard. Plus their thousand other reasons.
>
> Id love to see the maths and English guys have this discussion. How many
> kids would do English or maths if they did not have to. It seems to me
> that sometimes we have dumb down our course, in order to attract
> enrolments, to a point now where no real post secondary study requires
> it as a pre-rec so no students thinks its important to have. They say "
> I can still do IT at uni even if I do not do IT in high school..."
>
> I'm getting tired of this "your subject is only valid if you can match
> it up against VELS or you can sex it up so kids will choose it."
>
> My 2.3 cents worth
>
> Brendyn
>
> Nagle College
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au
> [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Robert
> Sent: Tuesday, 18 August 2009 3:30 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] REVIEW OF VCE INFORMATION
> TECHNOLOGY,SUMMARY OF PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE STUDY DESIGN
>
> Oh dear!
>
> I happen to like databases. They are used considerably in the "real
> world".
> Sure they are not the only IT app, but should we "tart" the course up to
>
> attract the less interested students, or should we have a course that
> does
> mirror the real world of IT?
>
> Robert Hind (Semi-retired)
> Ashwood and Traralgon
> robert at yinnar.com
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Kelly" <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au>
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> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 3:18 PM
> Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] REVIEW OF VCE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY, SUMMARY
> OF
> PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE STUDY DESIGN
>
>
>> http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/vceconsult/itsumofchanges.doc
>>
>> *TWO* ITA outcomes using databases?  O! no no no...
>>
>> ITA enrolments have been bad enough recently.
>>
>> This will surely kill them stone dead.
>>
>> --
>> Mark Kelly
>> Manager - Information Systems
>> McKinnon Secondary College
>> kel AT mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au
>> McKinnon Rd, McKinnon 3204, Victoria, Australia
>> Direct line / Voicemail: 8520 9085 Fax +613 9578 9253
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>> Why do people mis-spell 'grammar' and mispronounce 'pronuniciation'?
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