[Year 12 IT Apps] REVIEW OF VCE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY, SUMMARY OF PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE STUDY DESIGN

Wed Aug 19 13:18:10 EST 2009

I wish! Then I would definitely be guaranteed a job!
But do we have enough IT teachers, and IT teachers with good Database
knowledge?

Margaret

> Easily solved.  Make ITA a compulsory subject along with English  :-)
>
> margaret.lawson at konstantkaos.net wrote:
>> Brendyn
>>
>> I agree, I would love to see ITA be a pre-requisite for a uni course. It
>> would give us as teachers a bit more validation and also the kids who
>> are
>> doing it. The number of times I have heard kids say "I'm not doing IT
>> because it doesn't count towards anything" ... it saddens me.
>>
>> I am sure that if we put our heads together collectively, we could come
>> up
>> with an engaging way of teaching databases.
>>
>> IT will never have the enrollments to match English or some of the other
>> trendy subjects (like psychology). But it would be great if it could
>> stand
>> on it's own two feet as a discipline rather than a subject that panders
>> to
>> the needs of an ICT committee. I think that more of an emphasis on
>> databases might do this.
>>
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Margaret
>>
>>> All
>>>
>>> Great conversation.
>>>
>>> My question is why do we have to keep tarting up our subject so that
>>> its
>>> attractive. Is subject content "student driven" ? should it not be
>>> market (real world) driven?
>>>
>>> I know the reality! We do not offer U3-4 this year. Its boring. Its to
>>> hard. Plus their thousand other reasons.
>>>
>>> Id love to see the maths and English guys have this discussion. How
>>> many
>>> kids would do English or maths if they did not have to. It seems to me
>>> that sometimes we have dumb down our course, in order to attract
>>> enrolments, to a point now where no real post secondary study requires
>>> it as a pre-rec so no students thinks its important to have. They say "
>>> I can still do IT at uni even if I do not do IT in high school..."
>>>
>>> I'm getting tired of this "your subject is only valid if you can match
>>> it up against VELS or you can sex it up so kids will choose it."
>>>
>>> My 2.3 cents worth
>>>
>>> Brendyn
>>>
>>> Nagle College
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au
>>> [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Robert
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 18 August 2009 3:30 PM
>>> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] REVIEW OF VCE INFORMATION
>>> TECHNOLOGY,SUMMARY OF PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE STUDY DESIGN
>>>
>>> Oh dear!
>>>
>>> I happen to like databases. They are used considerably in the "real
>>> world".
>>> Sure they are not the only IT app, but should we "tart" the course up
>>> to
>>>
>>> attract the less interested students, or should we have a course that
>>> does
>>> mirror the real world of IT?
>>>
>>> Robert Hind (Semi-retired)
>>> Ashwood and Traralgon
>>> robert at yinnar.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mark Kelly" <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au>
>>> To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List"
>>> <itapps at edulists.com.au>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 3:18 PM
>>> Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] REVIEW OF VCE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY,
>>> SUMMARY
>>> OF
>>> PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE STUDY DESIGN
>>>
>>>
>>>> http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/vceconsult/itsumofchanges.doc
>>>>
>>>> *TWO* ITA outcomes using databases?  O! no no no...
>>>>
>>>> ITA enrolments have been bad enough recently.
>>>>
>>>> This will surely kill them stone dead.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Mark Kelly
>>>> Manager - Information Systems
>>>> McKinnon Secondary College
>>>> kel AT mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au
>>>> McKinnon Rd, McKinnon 3204, Victoria, Australia
>>>> Direct line / Voicemail: 8520 9085 Fax +613 9578 9253
>>>>
>>>> Webmaster - http://www.mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au
>>>> IT Lecture notes: http://vceit.com
>>>> Moderator: IT Applications Mailing List
>>>>
>>>> Why do people mis-spell 'grammar' and mispronounce 'pronuniciation'?
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>>> Date: 2009-08-19 11:18:52.717
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>>
>>
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>> Teachers Association Inc
>>
>>
>
> --
> Mark Kelly
> Manager - Information Systems
> McKinnon Secondary College
> kel AT mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au
> McKinnon Rd, McKinnon 3204, Victoria, Australia
> Direct line / Voicemail: 8520 9085 Fax +613 9578 9253
>
> Webmaster - http://www.mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au
> IT Lecture notes: http://vceit.com
> Moderator: IT Applications Mailing List
>
> Why do people mis-spell 'grammar' and mispronounce 'pronuniciation'?
> _______________________________________________
> http://www.edulists.com.au - FAQ, resources, subscribe, unsubscribe
> IT Applications Mailing List kindly supported by
> http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/infotech/itapplications3-4.html -
> Victorian Curriculum and Assessment Authority and
> http://www.vitta.org.au  - VITTA Victorian Information Technology Teachers
> Association Inc
>