[Informatics] [Year 12 SofDev] Enrolment numbers
timmer at westnet.com.au
timmer at westnet.com.au
Thu May 23 09:02:10 UTC 2019
Hmmm...Informatics... Wonder what job I could use that for ????
Well, here are two of many possibilities:Melb Uni: Informatics
(https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/components/b-sci-major-2)The
Informatics major will focus on preparing students for careers in
information and data management, medical and health informatics and
clinical research, physical informatics and social informatics.
Graduates will be prepared for these pathways by developing skills in
understanding, manipulating, visualising, integrating and exploiting
data and information; these skills are crucial to many industries,
particularly medical/health industries, and research in biological and
physical sciences.
LEADERSHIP IN CLINICAL INFORMATICS
(https://www.hisa.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/HISA-_Leadership-Clinical-Informatics_FINAL.pdf?x30583)While
transformation of healthcare can take many forms, healthcare is mostly
about information and knowledge. This information guides decisions
about managing healthcare and achieving the best possible outcomes for
patients. In practical terms, it is about having the most recent
medication list, access to the latest clinical evidence, allergy and
alert information, and information to support transitions of care
across multiple settings and time ...A professional informatics
workforce trained in clinical care, informatics and change leadership
is essential to achieve the difficult task of rethinking and
redesigning clinical work
VCE Informatics - a failure because of a number of reasons, one of
them a lack of imagination on the part of some people who were/are
stuck in the past glories of IPM.
RegardsRobert T-A
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To:"Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List" , "Year 12
VCE Informatics Teachers' Mailing List"
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Sent:Thu, 23 May 2019 15:03:37 +1000
Subject:Re: [Informatics] [Year 12 SofDev] Enrolment numbers
OK. Here goes.
I don't know how many kids choose VCE subjects as part of a deliberate
career path. I suspect many do.e.g.
* An aspiring actor chooses VCE Drama.
* A budding programmer chooses VCE Software Development.
* A conceited, power-hungry moron chooses VCE Politics.
Who would choose _Informatics_ as a career path?
Where would an 'A+' in Informatics get you in a job interview?What
tertiary courses are calling for VCE Informatics high-fliers?
Maybe Informatics/Data Analytics and their later generations need to
pick a career path and concentrate on delivering skills for that
path.e.g.
* IT systems management (to train the small-medium business company
IT guy who does all things IT)
* IT security (a huge field in itself, and growing more important
every day)
* Hardware design and theory (is there a VCE course for that? There
should be!)
* System Analysis - all systems need their analysts.
* Network engineering, architecture and administration
* Database Engineering. Purely for masochists with a career path.
* User interface design
* Web development - toss the other incidental stuff and just focus on
_the one topic_ in depth for a year. CSS, Ajax, HTML, PERL,
Javascript, Apache etc
I think once the subject has a raison d´être, and it focuses on it
like SD does, it will earn a following.
As it is, Informatics tries to be everything for everyone and doesn't
satisfy anyone's needs.It needs to choose a path (like SD does) and
proudly STICK WITH IT.
Another 2.2 cents. Golly, that's 4.4c today.
Mark
On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 14:26, Mark wrote:
I cynically suspect that the Informatics course was trying to exploit
students' interest in soft sciences like psych and sociology and
communication-rich exercises (the MMOS) - maybe to lure
oestrogen-enabled punters.
Didn't work.
Kids who wanted IT expected to get IT. Informatics gave them
hypotheses, stats, and just enough IT to make these happen.
Kids who want soft science and communications do
psych/sociology/drama. Informatics gave them 2NF, The Privacy Act
1988 and user flow diagrams.
Informatics didn't really deliver anything much to anyone.As I've said
before, I believe IPM/ITA/Informatics is still riding through the
desert on a horse with no name looking for an identity.
Just my 2.2 cents. Spend it wisely.
😲
On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 12:11, Lisa Kerekes wrote:
The numbers seem to reflect young people’s desire to learn about
themselves and the world, to help others, and make a difference.
Q: How can Computing show its relevance (and perhaps applications for
tech to solve problems) in these areas?
Just what went through my mind.
Lisa K
> On 23 May 2019, at 10:11 am, Rattan, Kushum L wrote:
>
> Another growing subject at my school is Sociology where they look
at all the current issues facing societies such as refugees,
terrorism, migration, ageing etc and the kids love it.
>
> Kushum Rattan
> ICT Curriculum Area Leader
> VET Co-ordinator
> Gisborne Secondary College
> Phone: 03 54283691
> rattan.kushum.l at edumail.vic.gov.au [4]
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sofdev On Behalf Of Stephen Trouse
> Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2019 8:03 AM
> To: sofdev at edulists.com.au [6]
> Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] Enrolment numbers
>
> As I suspected. Psych numbers burgeoning! The future is
therapy!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sofdev On Behalf Of sofdev-request at edulists.com.au [8]
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2019 4:15 PM
> To: sofdev at edulists.com.au [9]
> Subject: sofdev Digest, Vol 168, Issue 49
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 16:20:10 +1000
> From: Mark
> To: "Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List"
>
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Enrollment Numbers
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> *2001*
> *Psych U1*
> Male 2,922
> Female 10,179
> Total 13,101
>
> *Psych U3*
> M 2,852
> F 10,068
> Total 12,920
>
> ---------------------------
> *2018*
> *Psych U1*
> M 5,119
> F 12,605
> Total 17,739 (includes 15 intersex students)
>
> *Psych U3*
> M 4,479
> F 11,435
> Total 15,927 (includes 13 intersex students)
>
> *Boys are picking up psych!*
>
>
>> On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 15:14, Stephen Trouse <
Stephen.Trouse at flinders.vic.edu.au [13]> wrote:
>>
>> I'd like to see the numbers for Psychology as a comparison.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sofdev On Behalf Of
>> sofdev-request at edulists.com.au [15]
>> Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2019 2:39 PM
>> To: sofdev at edulists.com.au [16]
>> Subject: sofdev Digest, Vol 168, Issue 45
>>
>> Send sofdev mailing list submissions to
>> sofdev at edulists.com.au [17]
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>>
>> 1. Re: Enrollment Numbers (Litsa Tzelepis)
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 14:44:10 +1000
>> From: Litsa Tzelepis
>> To: "Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List"
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Enrollment Numbers
>> Message-ID:
>> <
>> CAODCwv9uvQAv8WvYd8meoSerjZUCJOhSYqHdF605p-eUzney_Q at mail.gmail.com
[20]>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> no no - mark collated the data and chart while I was shuffling
papers
>> - he's the genius -
>> 😃
>>
>> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 2:20 PM Jolly, Michael D <
>> Jolly.Michael.D at edumail.vic.gov.au [21]> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow!
>>>
>>> Oh yeah, and “good job”!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike Jolly from Kyneton
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* sofdev *On Behalf Of *Litsa
>>> Tzelepis
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 22 May 2019 1:45 PM
>>> *To:* Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <
>>> sofdev at edulists.com.au [23]>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Enrollment Numbers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> so.... for the last hour I have been clicking around with a
notepad
>>> and 2B pencil - lol
>>>
>>> thanks mark - litsa
>>>
>>> 📝
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 1:31 PM Mark wrote:
>>>
>>> IT enrolments - the complete sad tale from 2001 to 2018
>>>
>>> [image: computing enrolments 2001-2018.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You can get the full XLSX in the attachment. Let me know if you
have
>>> issues with it - I created in in LibreOffice.
>>>
>>> (And yes, it includes male and female breakdowns.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Enjoy - and try not to weep.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 12:37, Litsa Tzelepis
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Excellent everyone - I really appreciate your help?
>>>
>>> Litsa 🌻
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 12:07 PM Scott Wallace <
>>> Scott.Wallace at beaconhills.vic.edu.au [26]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Any chance of getting the breakdown between male and female
enrolments?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Scott Wallace *
>>>
>>> *Head of House (Rich) *
>>>
>>> *Head of Campus eLearning and Information Technology*
>>>
>>> *Beaconhills College, Pakenham*
>>>
>>> *(03) 5945-3014*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *[image: email_Sig]*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* sofdev *On Behalf Of *Mark
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 22 May 2019 12:06 PM
>>> *To:* Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <
>>> sofdev at edulists.com.au [28]>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Enrollment Numbers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> hehehe. I followed Geoff's link and was amused to find the
>>> enrolments in
>>> *2001*:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> IT 1 - *17,113*
>>>
>>> Information Processing and Management U3 - *13,344*
>>>
>>> Information Systems U3 (SD) - *3,346*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And in *2015*...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> IT1 - *4,959*
>>>
>>> IT Apps - *2,651*
>>>
>>> SD - *1,385*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How times change
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 11:48, Mark wrote:
>>>
>>> Earlier I found 2016 and 2017.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: computing 2016-2017.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I just found 2018 here
>>> >> ww
>>> .vcaa.vic.edu.au
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>>> &d
>>> ata=02%7C01%7Cjolly.michael.d%40edumail.vic.gov.au
[32]%7Cf9db6aec60f44d4
>>> 74
>>>
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>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: computing 2016-2018.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Informatics died a long, horrible - yet predictable - death.
>>>
>>> 💀
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 10:28, Litsa Tzelepis
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Good morning,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> is there anywhere that I can access the enrollment numbers for
>>> Computing
>>> (11 & 12) over the last few years?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We are heading into subject selection confirmation lists over the
>>> next few days.
>>>
>>> I'd appreciate any direction - not to worry if it doesn't exist -
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Have a great day,
>>>
>>> Litsa 🌼
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Litsa Tzelepis
>>> Mount St. Joseph Girls' College
>>> 133 Maidstone Street, Altona, VIC. 3018 htzelepis at msj.vic.edu.au
[34]
>>>
>>> P:8398 2000
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark Kelly
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> mark at vceit.com [35]
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>>>
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