[Yr7-10it] IT JOBS 2008

Mon Oct 15 11:13:15 EST 2007

I don't want to wade in here, and I'm definitely not a Howard supporter,
but I had thought that VELS was a Victorian government education
initiative (Bracks) not Federal government (Howard).  Perhaps the State
Government won't have that responsibility for much longer with the
movement towards a national curriculum.  I guess this highlights the
importance of teachers voices being heard while curriculum are being
developed.

I'm stealing this from somewhere, but you use English in all classes but
it would be ridiculous to have every teacher try and teach English.  In
the same way, integrating IT into the curriculum ignores IT as an expert
knowledge area, not just as a presentation tool, and wrongly seems to
make the assumption that all teachers are proficient in using IT.

Michelle Dennis

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[mailto:yr7-10it-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Kent Beveridge
Sent: Monday, 15 October 2007 10:51 AM
To: Year 7 - 10 Information Technology Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Yr7-10it] IT JOBS 2008

The reasoning is quite simple:

It was a gov't initiative to implement VELS (like the CSF) wasnt it?
The difference here, as we IT teachers are now finding, is that VELS
integrates IT with other subjects and apparently all teachers are
assumed to be IT trained as VELS is 'inter disciplinary' in its
approach. Hence IT teachers become dinosaurs as our skills are suddenly
downgraded except for specialist subject areas. Hence, schools take the
decision to integrate IT, thereby reducing the number of classes of
straight IT and therefore making many IT staff redundant.

This is the main reason I, personally, am upgrading my MATHS quals to be
able to offer VCE maths as a teaching stream as I feel that my IT
subjects will disappear soon. The downside is that the jobs requiring
computer skills higher than those of a monkey will go interstate or be
outsourced to overseas specialists.

This is my thoughts..

feel free to comment or disagree as its just an opinion.

KB.

Kent Beveridge,

I.T. co-ordinator

St. Brigids Catholic Sec. College

Horsham

email.. kbeveridge at stbc.vic.edu.au

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From: yr7-10it-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of victor rajewski
Sent: Mon 10/15/2007 10:18 AM
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I don't quite understand; What does Howard have to do with VELS? I
don't follow your reasoning (perhaps your rage has impaired your
argumentative skills?)

vik

On 10/15/07, Kent Beveridge <kbeveridge at stbc.vic.edu.au> wrote:
> Heres a thought, lots of available teachers to 'not so many' jobs for
next year. The govt will LOVE that. Think of all the VACANCIES and
CREATED JOBS that Mr. Howard now has CREATED!
> Guess who I'm NOT voting for!
>
> So much for the skills shortage. With one fowl swoop of VELS he
instantly created an oversupply of teachers(in the IT area!!!! ).
>
> Isnt that what hes been spruking?   'Look how many jobs I've created
with my new IR system(and other subtle measures).
>
> hmmm
> Makes you wonder why, doesnt it?!!
>
> KB.
>
> Kent Beveridge,
> I.T. co-ordinator
> St. Brigids Catholic Sec. College
> Horsham
> email.. kbeveridge at stbc.vic.edu.au
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> |<3|\|7  b3\/3r1D93 ?  ;-)
>
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> From: yr7-10it-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Alexakos, Zach Z
> Sent: Sun 10/14/2007 7:27 PM
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> Subject: RE: [Yr7-10it] Year 7-10 IT structures
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> Sounds like the basket weavers have well and truly taken over.
>
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> Zach Alexakos
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[mailto:yr7-10it-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Jim Bunn
> Sent: Sunday, 14 October 2007 5:13 PM
> To: 'Year 7 - 10 Information Technology Teachers' Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [Yr7-10it] Year 7-10 IT structures
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> Hello all,
>
>
>
> As Rachelle has already indicated, there is no compulsory ICT at
Hampton Park Secondary College (new from this year) and the
administration (having wanted this for years) has used the move from the
CSF to VELS as a virtual mandate for the dissolution of ICT classes at
years 7 and 8. Fully integrating ICT at years 7 and 8 was done under the
guise of it being a requirement under VELS. I argued many of the very
valid points made by those replying to this thread, and it's made no
difference whatsoever.
>
>
>
> At the end of last year I thought that the one good outcome of this
disastrous move was that at least most of the teachers previously unable
to get their non-ICT classes into a computer lab would now be possible.
Alas, no. One of our four computer labs (for 1300 students!) has been
dismantled and the computers dispersed elsewhere, like into a Pod, or
the new Learning Centre or just not re-leased. Another is scheduled to
go as well. My cynical nature says that it all comes down to saving $.
>
>
>
> And guess what. It's driving good ICT teachers away from here. One has
just resigned, another is leaving at the end of the year, another is
trying to leave, and yours truly is counting the days until I'm out of
here as well. What a sad state of affairs. Grumble, grumble.
>
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> Jim Bunn
> CCNA CCAI ITE1
> Technology Coordinator
> Hampton Park Secondary College
> Victoria  Australia
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> 8795 9400
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> bunn.jim.c at edumail.vic.gov.au
>
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[mailto:yr7-10it-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Colin SUTTON
> Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2007 8:59 PM
> To: yr7-10it at edulists.com.au
> Subject: [Yr7-10it] Year 7-10 IT structures
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>
>
> Hi all
>
> My school, Montmorency SC, has NO compulsory ICT!
>
> A student can go through 6 years of schooling here and do NO formal
IT.
>
> No other school I have ever taught in (2 in Vic, 3 in QLD and 4 in the
UK) have ever had this!
>
> It seems unbelievable that in the Information Age students are not
formally taught ANY ICT.
>
> They have to learn another language, do wood, metal, cooking and
sewing - useful and even essential - but the ONE thing none of them can
avoid is ICT!
>
> Sure, many can play games and surf to sites, but they are not formally
taught a wide range of other useful or essentail skills.
>
> Schools I have taught in elsewhere had at least one semester of ICT at
Year 7 (Yr 8 in QLD as secondary starts in Yr8).
>
> Most had an elective system that required them to do at least ONE or
more units at 8/9 or even again in Yr 10.
>
> Comments anyone?
>
>
> Regards
>
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