[vet-mm] query about fees

Fri Aug 6 10:28:25 EST 2010

Thanks for clearing that up so well Kevork :)

Suzanne Arnott
eLearning Leader
Sandringham College
Holloway Rd
Sandringham, 3191

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From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Kevork Krozian
Sent: Fri 6/08/2010 9:48 AM
To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [vet-mm] query about fees

  Hi Folks,

   Page 10 of the "Securing jobs for your future - Skills for Victoria" dated 4/12/2009 covering "Minimum Performance Standards 2010" states on page 10 that
 funding is available for the RTO for:
   .  young people aged 15-19 yrs ( subject to citizenship tests etc ) who are undertaking an AQF level qualification at any qualification level regardless of prior level of qualification held.
   .  young people 20-24 yrs who are undertaking an AQF level qualification higher than the highest qualification held; or
   .  retrenched workers aged 25 yrs an over who are undertaking an AQF qualification higher than the highest qualification held.

  So, the evidence is clear. 15 -19 as at January 1 of the year of training means students can undertake any qualification and get funding. This means they could turn up with a Cert IV and do a Cert II and get funding. No exceptions.
  It is only for those 20 -24 yrs old as at January 1 of the year of training that they will not be funded for lower quals than what they hold already. This means a person with an incomplete Cert III can still get funding for a Cert III as it is not a qualification they hold yet no matter what proportion they have completed as long as they don't hold the qualification.

Kind Regards

Kevork Krozian
Digital Learning Manager
Forest Hill College
k.krozian at fhc.vic.edu.au<mailto:k.krozian at fhc.vic.edu.au>
Tel: 0419 356 034
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From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au [vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Kevork Krozian [K.Krozian at fhc.vic.edu.au]
Sent: Monday, 2 August 2010 8:14 PM
To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [vet-mm] query about fees

Hi Allan,

 I am guessing this is an "internal" decision to not bother with partial funding if a student has already had payment made -  albeit partial -  for a qualification he/she commenced but did not complete at another RTO.
I have the paperwork at school and will check it and get back to you.
Somewhat related is that  I did secure the Diploma of IT ( Networking) ICA50405 on our scope at Forest Hill College just last month. I am concerned however,  to not offer it to my Cisco type students as it may do precisely what many have reported - cut them out of a Cert III or IV if they wish to go back to this.  The better option would be to step through a progression with Cert I ( Yr 9 ) , Cert II ( Yr 10) , Cert III ( Yr 11 ) and either a Cert IV or Diploma at Yr 12 .  If the student was willing to step up to the Diploma and forgo the Cert IV then they could make that decision and take on the higher qualification. This would require extensive holiday work but is achievable.

I'll check the documentation and let you know what I find.

Keep well
Kevork

From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Allan Barnes
Sent: Monday, 2 August 2010 8:08 AM
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Subject: Re: [vet-mm] query about fees

Hi Kevork

I was told by someone who works in TAFE that even if it is only partial completion of a Cert IV they won't be funded, but this was third hand or not sure if that is accurate or not. She said one of her students from this year went to an open day to look at completing a Cert III next year and was told by the TAFE that they would have to pay because they have started the certificate.

Kind regards

Allan Barnes, CEO
Australian Institute of Education and Training
P.O. Box 171
Brunswick West 3055
Melbourne, Victoria
Ph: (03) 9387 2051
FAX: (03) 9387 3470
Mobile: 0409 428 221

From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Kevork Krozian
Sent: Sunday, 1 August 2010 8:56 PM
To: 'VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [vet-mm] query about fees

Hi Folks,

 I believe it is also the case if you train your student in say Cert IV, then they are not funded below that category thereafter.
That is to say, they will not be funded for a Cert III in First Aid if they have a Cert IV in Multimedia. However , if they have a partial completion of the Cert IV , then they can be funded.
For that reason, it makes good sense to train our students sequentially , for example:

1.       Cert I in Year 9

2.       Cert II in Year 10

3.       Cert III in Year 11/12

4.       Cert IV in Yr 12 if the student and the school are willing

I am thinking IT , Multimedia  here.

Kind Regards
Kevork Krozian
Edulists Creator Administrator
www.edulists.com.au
tel: 0419 356 034

From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Stoney, Marian Sy
Sent: Saturday, 31 July 2010 3:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [vet-mm] query about fees

thanks all for speedy and great info. I will inform my student,
Marian

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From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Rob Swain
Sent: Fri 30/07/2010 6:06 PM
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I spoke to our Fees expert and their advice is "Tell this person to get a quote from the RTO they're planning to enrol with. Remember to indicate if the enrolment is for 2010 or 2011, as the eligibility rules for Skills Victoria Contestable Funding change on 1 January."

Regards
Rob

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From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au [vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Malcolm Beasley [admin at impactcreativity.com.au]
Sent: Friday, 30 July 2010 4:01 PM
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Skills Victoria funding is very specific and based on age group
15 - 19 any course, any amount of courses
19 - 24 any course as long as it is a AQTF higher qual, ie Cert III must be Cert IV etc.
over 24 any Diploma course as long as the individual has NO formal training.
So for your student no extra training over the age of 24.
The aim of this is to have as many people trained at AQTF levels as possible by the age of 24.

Malcolm Beasley
CEO
Impact Creativity Centre
+61 (0) 407553264
http://www.impactcreativity.com.au<http://www.impactcreativity.com.au/>
Bass Coast +61(0) 3 56725500

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On 30/07/2010, at 3:07 PM, Stoney, Marian Sy wrote:

Hi all,
I have a student who approached me to ask if it were true that if she completed Cert III at school in IDM, then she enrolled in another Cert III in a different area, she would have to pay full fees for the second Cert III.
 I don't know anything about this, but wonder if anyone out there can advise me?
Thanks,
Marian

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