[vet-mm] VCE VET IDM
Geraldine McKenna
g.mckenna at optusnet.com.au
Tue Aug 5 22:30:33 EST 2008
Thanks so much Suz and Claire for leading me in the right direction.
Question re Luke's proposed structure. I am not clear as to why you would
offer the two additional core units with the Cert 2. Is this because of
time? That is - not enough time to complete all Cert 3 units in Year 12. I
think it would be preferable to be able to offer a complete Cert 2 in year
11.
Geraldine McKenna
Avila College
Mt Waverley
On 5/8/08 9:56 PM, "ARNOTT Suz" <SA at emc.vic.edu.au> wrote:
> hehehe you beat me to it Claire...
> I was just looking for the NTIS site when I checked back in my mail :)
>
> The training package can be daunting when you first get it, it can be
> difficult to decipher what it all means at times. I have downloaded the whole
> thing from the NTIS site, which makes it easier to do copy and pastes of just
> the stuff that is relevant to our units, as there are many we don't need in
> there as well.
>
> Geraldine, when you look through the package you get the overview of each
> course, and then in a different section (which is when the hyperlinked site
> makes life easier) you get the assessment details - the performance criteria
> is what needs to be covered to show competence in that unit.
> I generally break those up into what tasks need to be completed to enable the
> students to develop the skills and then the competence.
> With all of the new ones.... I am looking forward to creating something
> interesting :)
> We cover the work placement by trying to set the course up as a workplace.
> This new package opens up other fields where it may be more easy to find
> placements....
>
> Claire.. I have only been skimming... rushing around charging batteries and
> getting stuff ready for tomorrow..., and not looked too deeply into it yet,
> but has anything been said about an exam? or will it be like most of the other
> VCE VET studies - no exam, and an enter score generated from their other
> subjects?
>
> cheers
> Suz
>
> ________________________________________
> From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au [vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On
> Behalf Of claire [claire at warrandytehigh.vic.edu.au]
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2008 9:40 PM
> To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [vet-mm] VCE VET IDM
>
> Hi Geraldine,
> The Units of Competency should all be available on the National Training
> website.
> Not all are available thru the search engine, but they are there as part of
> the downloadable training package.
>
> For example the Unit BSBCRT101A: Apply critical thinking techniques
> can be found at
> http://www.ntis.gov.au/?/trainingpackage/BSB07/unit/BSBCRT101A
>
> CUFDIG302A: Author interactive sequences
> can be found at
> http://www.ntis.gov.au/Default.aspx?/trainingpackage/CUF07/unit/CUFDIG302A
>
> CUFRES201A: Collect and organise content for broadcast or publication
> http://www.ntis.gov.au/Default.aspx?/trainingpackage/CUF07/unit/CUFRES201A
> and so on...
> However, if you have purchased the training package, I would have thought the
> info should be in that document?
>
> Work placement is strongly encouraged but not mandated because it is very
> difficult to obtain in the Multimedia industry.
> Claire Bloom
> Warrandyte High
>
>
> Geraldine McKenna wrote:
>
> I am introducing the new IDM course in 2009 having not done VET Multimedia
> to date. As I am teaching at a girls school I feel that the new course will
> suit the girls better than ITA where numbers have been dropping. I will
> certainly be looking for some help with this. I purchased the Training
> Package a while ago but it does not have the details of content for each
> unit. Could someone please advise as to where to purchase the complete
> package? Also is work placement usually a requirement for the CERT 2 or 3?
> Thanks in advance.
> Geraldine McKenna
> Avila College
> Mt Waverley
>
>
> On 5/8/08 6:55 PM, "Ana Tuckerman"
> <atuckerman at elthamcollege.vic.edu.au><mailto:atuckerman at elthamcollege.vic.edu.
> au>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Yah course is set, approved and published........but I think Luke might be
> right. Considering a lot of the Core units could be done at the same time, and
> all we would have to do is add a few extra UOC into the year 11 course to
> cover both.
> Its worth looking at for those who dont want to drop the cert 2.
> Im not sure yet. I like the idea of taking my time and doing the cert 3 in 2
> years, however im sure my school will put in their 2 cents.
> :)
>
> Ana Tuckerman
> Multimedia and Media Department
> ELTHAM College of Education
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au> on
> behalf of Andrew Shortell
> Sent: Tue 8/5/2008 3:19 PM
> To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: RE: RE: [vet-mm] VCE VET IDM
>
> The course is already set
> And approved
> And published
>
> See VCAA
>
> Andrew Shortell
> Braemar College
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au>
> [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Luke Jackson
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2008 3:06 PM
> To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: RE: RE: [vet-mm] VCE VET IDM
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> My apologies if this covers the same ground as other people's posts, or
> if I'm totally off the mark with my thinking here, however it seems to
> me that we could offer a complete Cert II at year 11 and a complete Cert
> III at year 12 if we structure them as follows. Of course, they are 65
> nominal hours over the amount that they should be, which may be
> completely unacceptable considering this is VET in VCE.
>
> Cert II:
> CORE UNITS (75 hours)
> Apply critical thinking techniques
> Develop and apply creative arts industry knowledge
> Participate in OHS processes
> Work effectively with others
>
> ADDITIONAL CORE UNITS (40 hours)
> Work effectively in the screen and media industries
> Produce and prepare photo images
>
> SPECIALIST UNITS (50 hours)
> Maintain interactive content
> Collect and organize content for broadcast or publication
>
> ELECTIVE UNITS (80 hours)
> Develop and extend critical and creative thinking skills
> Follow a design process
>
> Subtotal: 245 hours
>
>
> CERT III:
> CORE UNITS
> Develop and extend critical and creative thinking skills (already
> covered)
> Work effectively in the screen and media industries (already covered)
> Participate in OHS processes (already covered)
> Produce and prepare photo images (already covered)
>
> ELECTIVE UNITS
> Maintain interactive content (already covered)
> Collect for broadcast or publication (already covered)
> Follow a design process (already covered)
>
> VCE VET Units 3 and 4 UNITS
> Create 2D digital animations
> Write content for a range of media
> Explore and apply the creative design process to 2D forms
> Author interactive sequences
> Prepare video assets
> Create visual design components
>
> Subtotal: 225
>
> Total number of hours 470
>
>
> Luke Jackson
> RTO Training Officer
> Trainer, Multimedia (Cert II and III)
> Teacher, Media (Units 3 and 4)
> Distance Education Centre Victoria
> ph: 8480 0197
> ljackson at distance.vic.edu.au<mailto:ljackson at distance.vic.edu.au>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au>
> [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Kevork Krozian
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2008 2:09 PM
> To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: RE: RE: [vet-mm] VCE VET IDM
>
> Hi Suz,
>
> Not wishing to steal your thunder, but I've had wikis running for quite
> some time at Edulists from the home page if it is any help.
>
> Take Care
>
> Kevork
>
>
>
> ARNOTT Suz <SA at emc.vic.edu.au><mailto:SA at emc.vic.edu.au> 5/08/2008 1:08 pm >>>
>
>
> I would be more than happy to set up a wiki....
> With falling numbers I have been a bit quite here of late... but ummm
> being one of the "arty" ones I am quite reinspired to get this thing
> working well...
> I won't be offering it next year, as our course selection is already
> finished, and subjects have been allocated etc. but looking forward to
> jumping back in in 2010
>
> I know Kevork has a great set up with the edulist thing, but I love the
> interaction of the wiki, and will be setting one up regardless, even if
> just for my own personal course development
> Just set one up...
> http://vetidm.wikispaces.com/
> nothing on it yet, will play later...
> I have set it up that you need to join the group,
> Hope this helps :)
> Cheers
> Suz
>
> I want to explore the set stuff more... flat out with Rock Eisteddfod
> today and tomorrow... back to earth on Thursday :)
>
> Suzanne Arnott
> ICT Staff Support
> Photography and Multimedia Coordinator
> Elisabeth Murdoch College
> Langwarrin
>
> "A master can tell you what he expects of you. A teacher, though,
> awakens your own expectations."
> - Patricia Nea
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au>
> [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Luke Jackson
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2008 10:20 AM
> To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: RE: RE: [vet-mm] VCE VET IDM
>
> Hi Andrew,
>
> I think that the idea of establishing a common repository, both for
> ideas and finished products/assignments is great. I'm creating for an
> Online course, but would be happy to share some resources. I have been
> using resources provided by this group this year, and have found them
> invaluable in keeping the course up-to-date. It should also help us with
> our validation, since it provides peer feedback on our work that those
> of us who are working on our own would otherwise not have access to.
>
> Luke Jackson
> RTO Training Officer
> Trainer, Multimedia (Cert II and III)
> Teacher, Media (Units 3 and 4)
> Distance Education Centre Victoria
> ph: 8480 0197
> ljackson at distance.vic.edu.au<mailto:ljackson at distance.vic.edu.au>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au>
> [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Andrew Shortell
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2008 10:09 AM
> To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: RE: RE: [vet-mm] VCE VET IDM
>
> There is also the issue that all of the industry representatives on the
> panel were of the opinion that a cert 2 was no use in getting a job in
> the industry. The cert 3 is the minimum to actually be employed in
> interactive media and people with only a cert 3 were not actually going
> to be allowed in most cases to touch scripting in a work environment so
> it might be more sensible to only have it appear in cert 4.
>
> There is a great opportunity to make the course exciting while still
> staying within the confines of the course - especially for the more
> "arty" amongst us. The IT people (such as me) will need some more
> support to be "arty" but the students should (I hope) stress less over
> this course.
>
> Anyone who worries about partial completion: if they drop off after
> year 11 / unit 1,2 then change their mind a year later any TAFE should
> give them RPL for what they have already done - especially if the TAFE
> is their RTO
>
> Any student who has chosen it already for next year is taking our
> enthusiasm on faith and believes that we can produce a course that will
> be good. So let's do it.
>
> Btw: is there anyone who is prepared to set up a common moodle / wiki
> for all to access and share on?
> That could be the best way around the issue of resources and sharing and
> we could treat it as common ground.
>
> Andrew Shortell
> Braemar College
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au>
> [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of claire
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2008 9:45 AM
> To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: Re: RE: [vet-mm] VCE VET IDM - see attached!!
>
> Because it was not possible to complete the new Cert 3 in one year,
> there was a dilemma, ie that students finish Units 1-4 with only a Cert
> 2 and partial Cert 3.
> I think industry, tertiary institutions and most teachers would agree it
> is better to come out of VCE with a completed Cert 3. Doing Cert 2 and 3
> really requires 3 years so some schools may offer the Cert 2 at year 10
> and then go onto Cert 3 at year 11 and 12.
> Claire Bloom
> Warrandyte High
>
>
>
>
>
> Michelle Dennis
> <mdennis at mentonegirls.vic.edu.au><mailto:mdennis at mentonegirls.vic.edu.au>
> wrote:
>
> To me, it depends on your perspective and how you're selling it to the
> kids. For my students, having a certificate at the end of year 11 if
> they wish to do the 1/2 sequence is a drawcard and has increased
> enrolment. Year 10s especially don't want to necessarily commit to a
>
>
> 2
>
>
> year course until they get a chance to see what it is like, but also
> perceive partial-completions as being less than desirable.
>
> Michelle Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au>
> [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Brian Pearce
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2008 8:24 AM
> To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [vet-mm] VCE VET IDM - see attached!!
>
> Hi Ana,
>
> I can see too, but now I have a headache.
>
> Does it mean that we have to provide both Yr 11 pathways so that those
> who chose to finish at Yr 11 have a "certificate". It seems if we just
> offer the Cert III in Media those that drop out at Yr 11 will only
>
>
> have
>
>
> a partial completion of Cert III in Media. Will this be any better or
> worse than a completed Cert II in Creative Industries ( Media )? Does
> the VCAA require that we offer both Certificates or is it optional?
>
> Also, without seeing the details, it looks like it might be possible
>
>
> to
>
>
> maintain some scripting under the Author Interactive Sequences UOC.
>
> I suppose when we hear more details, including what will be examined,
> the way to proceed will become clearer.
>
> Brian Pearce
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au>
> [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Ana Tuckerman
> Sent: Monday, 4 August 2008 5:25 PM
> To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [vet-mm] VCE VET IDM - see attached!!
>
> Yahh,
> I can see, i know, i can prepare.
>
> First, we have to start calling it "VCE VET Interactive Digital Media"
> NOT Cert 3 in media.
> Next, why bother with cert 2?
> Third, if copywrite is an elective, do we have to teach it for the
>
>
> year
>
>
> 12 exam?
> Fourth, for those who want it, there is 3D (i have to say I'm not
>
>
> going
>
>
> to do it though, its not in the year 12 course).
> Fifth, we now have Video in year 12, AHHHHHHHHH
> Sixth, I'm assuming that they want us to teach Web, in Author
> interactive sequences.
> Seven, NO SCRIPTING!
>
>
>
>> From my perspective, I am just going to use Unit 1 & 2 to teach all
>
>
> the
>
>
> software and concepts that they need in Unit 3 & 4 and just adapt the
> units to fit.
>
> For example i might use "Produce drawings to represent and communicate
> the concept" to do a comic with storyboard, using flash with buttons
>
>
> and
>
>
> a little animation (to prepare for 2d animation)
>
> "Maintain interactive content" would be an introduction to "Author
> interactive sequences"
>
> And the Compulsory units, you could do anything. Just work in the
> requirements with any kind of practical task.
>
> I'm OK with it all. It looks VERY flexible.
>
> :) Ana
>
>
>
>
>
> Ana Tuckerman
> Multimedia and Media Department
> ELTHAM College of Education
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au> on
> behalf of claire
> Sent: Mon 8/4/2008 4:50 PM
> To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: [vet-mm] VCE VET IDM - see attached!!
>
>
> The revised VCE VET Interactive Digital Media (IDM) program has now
> successfully progressed though all the required internal committees
>
>
> and
>
>
> processes at the VCAA.
> Attached is a PDF extract from the soon to be published VCE VET IDM
> program booklet. This extract has "gone live" on the VCAA website
>
>
> today.
>
>
> VCAA have made available an extract for both the revised Business and
> Multimedia programs because they were fielding a large number of calls
> and
> emails about the programs for next year.
>
> The complete hard copy of the program booklet will be distributed to
> schools early in Term IV.
>
> Let the discussions begin!!
>
> Claire Bloom
> Warrandyte High
>
>
>
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