[vet-mm] 2006 exam

Thu Nov 16 10:10:45 EST 2006

Maybe it's the inconsistency of the exam that causes the problem, seems that=
 the emphasis on scripting goes up and down, and teachers get a little bewil=
dered as to what will be expected.

It is interesting to note that to teach Vet you should have relevant industr=
y experience. AQTF Standard 7.4

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From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au]=
 On Behalf Of Daylan
Sent: Thursday, 16 November 2006 9:40 AM
To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [vet-mm] 2006 exam

Wow, 

Brutal ! Thanks for your comments Mario, first of all i'd just like to point=
 out a couple of things. What i have written about in my posts is purely my=
 opinion, as mentioned in my first post about this subject, i am leaving Imp=
act and just thought i would voice my opinion on what i believe was lacking=
 in the multimedia classes at VET/VCE level. If you want to bring the claws=
 out and have a go at where i work, go ahead. 

You just have to look at the 15+ responses this topic has raised to know tha=
t somethings not quite right. 

If an exam has scripting questions, "its too hard", if there's not enough sc=
ripting "its not relevant". I don't care whether or not you take Impact seri=
ously, i think our 98% pass rate in cert 3 and constant appearance by our st=
udents work at things such as season of excellence proves that, "holy crap"=
 i guess we're doing something right huh. When schools are contacting us in=
 order to do their flash training for their students. Damm! Being "money dri=
ven" and "na=EFve" sucks huh. 

Everyone else though, please don't get me wrong. I don't know if teachers ha=
ve the same conversations/emails about Maths and English and P.E and whateve=
r else, but if people cant agree on what is meant to be taught then there is=
 a problem. 

Im just stating that i think if your going to show students this subject, it=
s important to be showing them stuff that is relevant to the actual subject,=
 which is both design and programing, as well, of course as meeting the comp=
etencies set by "the powers that be". I personally prefer doing the design a=
spect of this stuff. Its a lot more fun and creative, but like i said previo=
usly, this stuff changes faster than anyone can learn it, and staying in the=
 comfort zone of teaching the easy stuff will not help students in the futur=
e who obviously have an interest in this industry. 

But I'm not an art teacher, so what the hell do i know about multimedia.(No=
 offense to art teachers of course, I loved art in high school) 

On 16/11/2006, at 1:44 AM, Mario Yannakakis wrote: 

	We have tried for so many years to get an understanding of what it is that=

	we as teachers/trainers for VET in schools are suppose to teach that it 

	really annoys me and it really makes me wonder whether I really want to 

	teach in the future!!! 

	Please forget about impact creativity because they are just business minded=

	people. Ofcoarse they will support scripting because they want their 

	graduates to come and work within a production based programming role for 

	their clients and they, just like every other business will give their 

	employees next to nothing for an entry level role. 

	This is just my opinion! 

	Mario Yannakakis 

	-----Original Message----- 

	From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au=
] 

	On Behalf Of peterfowler at optusnet.com.au 

	Sent: Wednesday, 15 November 2006 5:07 PM 

	To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List 

	Subject: Re: [vet-mm] 2006 exam 

	You are dead right Susan, 

	The exam is supposed to test of the whole course at year 12, its not 

	intended to focus on individual competencies. 

	The students greater understanding of programming is assessed as part of a=

	scored SAC. 

	In most cases the MM job market will not be interested in students with a 

	Cert III qualification. 

	Part of our role is to provide student with a broad understanding of the MM=

	industry, they usually specialize when they hit University. 

	So lets put our personal bias on hold and lets try to get a better balance=

	in the exam next time around. 

	Yours Sincerely 

	Peter Fowler 

	Swinburne Senior Secondary College 

	Susan Bell <Susan.Bell at wesleycollege.net> wrote: 

	I think the issue here was about programming in the exam - not whether 

	you need programming when students venture into the job market. No one 

	is denying that programming is important - but the exam was biased 

	towards scripting which is simply not fair in a year 12 exam. 

	Sue 

				daylan at impactcreativity.com.au 11/15/06 04:28pm >>> 

	Hi all, 

	I've been training Cert 2, 3 and diploma level multimedia for 

	the past 3 years and working in the industry (clients etc) for 4 years. 

	This is my final year of training students however as i will be 

	venturing of into that big, murderous multimedia world to work for MYOB 

	but i thought i might add my 2 cents too. 

	I felt that there wasn't enough emphasis on programming in the exam 

	or 

	in the course in general. I personally tried to train my students in a 

	way that would give them actual skills that are relevant for industry, 

	as well of course, as meeting competencies. And while i agree design is 

	important, i fell that its only about 20% of most jobs. 

	You just need to look at it.seek.com etc to see that 98% of jobs in the 

	industry require more than awesome photoshop and design skills. In fact 

	i'd say 80% don't even care if you are good at design, they want you to 

	be a programmer. 

	Its extremely hard in the industry to find a job that is purely design 

	and even if you do they are usually the lowest paying jobs. 

	Design is the fun stuff and it's a lot easier to keep students 

	attention with fun things, but as far as vocational training goes, i 

	feel programming is a much more important skill for students to walk 

	away with. 

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