[vet-mm] 2006 exam

Robert Ware rware at gotafe.vic.edu.au
Thu Nov 16 09:14:49 EST 2006 

lol! ...

End of year pressure starting to tell, Mario?

But seriously folks, I haven't laughed so hard in years ... this forum is great!

Keep up the good work!

Regards,

Rob

Rob Ware
Coordinator
Multimedia
Goulburn Ovens Institute of TAFE - Benalla Campus
>>> myannaka at bigpond.net.au 11/16/06 2:08 AM >>>
Daylan, you have got no idea! Come and teach at a state secondary school for
one year in VETiS and then start talking. I can guarantee you that your mind
will change when you have no time to shit! I will remind you that some
schools don't even have photoshop or the latest 3D program that you seem to
take for granted!


Just goes to show how naïve you are!


-----Original Message-----
From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
On Behalf Of Daylan
Sent: Wednesday, 15 November 2006 7:20 PM
To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [vet-mm] 2006 exam

Hi Peter,
         Im not suggesting that the exam should focus primarily on  
programming and/or scripting, if anything i think the exam was lacking  
in scripting. I think that we should be focusing on trying to raise the  
bar as far as multimedia goes, and sitting comfortably doing motion  
tweens and making cool stuff in phototshop will only hurt this subject  
instead of help it. Sure doing the fun stuff will get more students in  
the seats, but ideally  i thought we are always trying to improve  
students knowledge of the subject.
As you said Peter "Part of our role is to provide student with a broad  
understanding of the MM industry" , if students are struggling with the  
small amount of scripting in the exam, then there's a problem in what's  
being expected to be taught and what actually is being taught.
Look into web 2.0 (not learn it, but just have a look at it). THAT is  
where the industry is heading, that is what will be required in the  
future to remain even a chance to stay up to date in this industry. And  
before everyone jumps down my throat about it, it's just proving that  
design can be done purely through programming.
Everyone may bite my head off for saying this , but from what i've  
seen, everyone wants multimedia and what we have to teach to get easier  
and its not going to.
Scripting and programing is a neccessary "evil" in this course.
Im just suggesting that we need to be showing these kids more  
imporatant stuff than basic design principles and how to make cool  
looking buttons etc.



On 15/11/2006, at 5:07 PM, peterfowler at optusnet.com.au wrote:

> You are dead right Susan,
> The exam is supposed to test an understanding of the whole course at  
> year 12, its not intended to focus on individual competencies.
> The students greater understanding of programming is assessed as part  
> of a scored SAC.
> In most cases the MM job market will not be interested in students  
> with a Cert III qualification.
> Part of our role is to provide student with a broad understanding of  
> the MM industry, they usually specialize when they hit University.
> So lets put our personal bias on hold and lets try to get a better  
> balance in the exam next time around.
> Yours Sincerely
> Peter Fowler
> Swinburne Senior Secondary College
>
>
>
>> Susan Bell <Susan.Bell at wesleycollege.net> wrote:
>>
>> I think the issue here was about programming in the exam - not whether
>> you need programming when  students venture into the job market. No  
>> one
>> is denying that programming is important - but the exam was biased
>> towards scripting which is simply not fair in a year 12 exam.
>> Sue
>>>>> daylan at impactcreativity.com.au 11/15/06 04:28pm >>>
>> Hi all,
>>           I've been training Cert 2, 3 and diploma level multimedia  
>> for
>>
>> the past 3 years and working in the industry (clients etc) for 4  
>> years.
>>
>> This is my final year of training students however as i will be
>> venturing of into that big, murderous multimedia world to work for  
>> MYOB
>>
>> but i thought i might add my 2 cents too.
>>   I felt that there wasn't enough emphasis on programming in the exam
>> or
>> in the course in general. I personally tried to train my students in a
>>
>> way that would give them actual skills that are relevant for industry,
>>
>> as well of course, as meeting competencies. And while i agree design  
>> is
>>
>> important, i fell that its only about 20% of most jobs.
>> You just need to look at it.seek.com etc to see that 98% of jobs in  
>> the
>>
>> industry require more than awesome photoshop and design skills. In  
>> fact
>>
>> i'd say 80% don't even care if you are good at design, they want you  
>> to
>>
>> be a programmer.
>> Its extremely hard in the industry to find a job that is purely design
>>
>> and even if you do they are usually the lowest paying jobs.
>> Design is the fun stuff and it's a lot easier to keep students
>> attention with fun things, but as far as vocational training goes, i
>> feel programming is a much more important skill for students to walk
>> away with.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> http://www.edulists.com.au - FAQ, resources, subscribe, unsubscribe
>> VET Multimedia Mailing List kindly supported by
>> http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au - Victorian Curriculum and Assessment
>> Authority and
>> http://www.vitta.org.au  - VITTA Victorian Information Technology
>> Teachers Association Inc
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________________ 
>> ___
>> ___
>>
>> Sapere Aude - Dare To Be Wise
>>
>> Wesley College Melbourne is a world class coeducational independent
>> school
>> developing the whole person through timeless principles of learning:
>> - to know
>> - to do
>> - to live with
>> - to be
>> with innovation and wisdom
>>
>> ABN 38 994 068 473  CRICOS 00354G
>> ______________________________________________________________________ 
>> ___
>> ___
>>
>> This email is intended only for the use of the individual or entity
>> named
>> above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged.
>> If
>> you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
>> dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is strictly
>> prohibited.
>> If you have received this email in error, please email a reply to  
>> Wesley
>> College and destroy the original message.
>> ______________________________________________________________________ 
>> ___
>> ___
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> http://www.edulists.com.au - FAQ, resources, subscribe, unsubscribe
>> VET Multimedia Mailing List kindly supported by
>> http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au - Victorian Curriculum and Assessment
>> Authority and
>> http://www.vitta.org.au  - VITTA Victorian Information Technology
>> Teachers Association Inc
> _______________________________________________
> http://www.edulists.com.au - FAQ, resources, subscribe, unsubscribe
> VET Multimedia Mailing List kindly supported by
> http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au - Victorian Curriculum and Assessment  
> Authority and
> http://www.vitta.org.au  - VITTA Victorian Information Technology  
> Teachers Association Inc
>

_______________________________________________
http://www.edulists.com.au - FAQ, resources, subscribe, unsubscribe
VET Multimedia Mailing List kindly supported by
http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au - Victorian Curriculum and Assessment Authority
and
http://www.vitta.org.au  - VITTA Victorian Information Technology Teachers
Association Inc



_______________________________________________
http://www.edulists.com.au - FAQ, resources, subscribe, unsubscribe
VET Multimedia Mailing List kindly supported by
http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au - Victorian Curriculum and Assessment Authority and
http://www.vitta.org.au  - VITTA Victorian Information Technology Teachers Association Inc

This message is for the named person’s use only. It may contain
confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No
confidentiality or privilege is waived or; lost by any mistransmission. If
you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all
copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify
the sender. You must not directly or indirectly, use, disclose,
distribute, print or copy any part of this message if you are not the
intended recipient. GOULBURN OVENS INSTITUTE OF TAFE and
any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail
communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this
message are those of the individual sender, except where the
message states otherwise and the sender is authorised to state them
to be the views of any such entity.

#####################################################################################
This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared 
by NetIQ MailMarshal and Goulburn Ovens Institute of TAFE
#####################################################################################

More information about the vet-mm mailing list