[Year 12 SofDev] Software Development position available

Fri Jul 29 05:15:52 UTC 2022

Hi Kevork / Roland / all,

Yes an excellent idea. I'm concerned about the workload of setting this up,
but we could involve the whole community.

Teachers being employed and discovering they have APC / SD in their
teaching load could be onboarded with a mix of face to face and remote /
self paced modules. I would think that an initiative like this would be in
the interest of VCAA as the quality of teaching will be (potentially)
improved - rather than having teachers fail audits.

Some support from the Education Dept would be nice but is probably unlikely
- though you could build in a user pays model (like enrolling in PD).

Cheers,
Adrian

On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 1:36 PM Roland Gesthuizen <
Roland.Gesthuizen at education.vic.gov.au> wrote:

> Sounds like a great plan Kevork. :-)
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> Especially when leaning into an online course to allow us to reach remote
> and rural candidates.  The parent body ACCE noted that the same problem
> spans across Oz so the market is out there. There is interest in the
> Tertiary sector for teacher accreditation for method subjects and they do
> work with training groups like yours.
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> When I wrote and taught the STEM Education unit at Monash Uni, it was a
> wonderful opportunity for teachers to upskill across Australia. Given our
> experience with remote and flexible learning, there some interest in what
> we can do.
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> If you are free, let’s catch up next week for a coffee and see what we can
> do to *make this so* 😊
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> Regards Roland
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> On 29 Jul 2022, at 11:21 am, Kevork Krozian <kkrozian at rt.vic.edu.au>
> wrote:
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> Hi Folks
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> How about we build an online version of this for teachers to upskill ?
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> Perhaps we can get some funding for it from VCAA/Universities/TAFEs/HESG ?
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> For example check out
> https://www.education.vic.gov.au/svts/Account/FundedCoursesReportAndStudentTuitionFeeContributionReport
> for the list of courses , funding rates etc that the government pays to
> TAFEs and private RTOs. I set up and teach 8 courses from that list in my
> RTO which is part of Ringwood SC.
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> If it is a funded course it would need to be put on the scope of
> registration of the RTO and perhaps taught online with some face to face
> interaction.
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> There have been post graduate Certificates and Diplomas in elearning that
> have been previously funded.
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> We could offer to do a walk through of the SD course ( and DA and Units 1
> and 2 ) with resources and possible offer to demonstrate teaching say the
> SD course is each of Python, VB and PHP for variety.
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> That might take 6 to 12 months to put into place eg define the units to
> teach, secure VRQA registration, add to the scope of courses for the RTO
> and with VCAA/Universities/TAFE support address the supply side of teaching
> the course at the right level.
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> We would then need to work on the supply side.
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> How are we to find more students to study Applied Computing ?
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> This exercise would not be very useful if we were to train 30 more
> teachers and schools offered SD every second year to a cohort of 6 in the
> class.
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> What do we think ?
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> Kindest Regards
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> Kevork Krozian
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> IT Pathways Manager
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> Ringwood Training
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> Tel 0419 356 034
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> *From:* sofdev <sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au> *On Behalf Of *Adrian
> Janson
> *Sent:* Friday, July 29, 2022 10:47 AM
> *To:* Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <
> sofdev at edulists.com.au>
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Software Development position available
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> yes - I agree with all these sentiments BUT.....
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> (and side note - you all need to watch Moneyball)!
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> I don't think we are nailing what the problem is here. Yes absolutely more
> skilled / trained IT teachers would be great - but the reality is that this
> is not happening.
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> Instead - we need to address what we are faced with. Roland - I'm happy to
> convene a panel at the conference on this?
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> Cheers,
> Adrian
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> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 9:54 AM Roland Gesthuizen <
> Roland.Gesthuizen at education.vic.gov.au> wrote:
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> Thanks Andrew, there are method subjects that explicitly teaches this at
> Univeristy (and a friendly shout out to my former PST who are now teaching
> :-)
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> An increasing majority of teachers of Physics and Applied Computing
> schools are now teaching “out-of-field" and whilst they do a remarkable
> job, their situation is not going to improve.
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> Like others, I suspect the dismantling and diminishing of teaching
> digitech across the middle school years has also been unhelpful. Nothing
> good ever comes from diminishing or removing teacher agency. It’s hard to
> beat a skilled method teacher like you to to command good practice as you
> have done here with your red pen to underline what teachers should be able
> to do in order to teach our subject well. I salute your experience.
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> There is a prof at Monash Uni who is doing some interesting research in
> this space and noted some interesting findings. Could be a good keynote or
> guest speaker at the DLTV VCE conference later this year. (Hmmmm, I might
> pass this onto Kev)
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> Regards Roland
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> On 28 Jul 2022, at 7:48 pm, Andrew Shortell <shortell at get2me.net> wrote:
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> Hi All
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> Even though I am busy fading into the sunset this email chain is
> attractive (in the nicest way)
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> When we (YOU) look at up-skilling teachers…
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> •first they need to learn to code
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> •THEN they need to learn to teach coding
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> •AND they need to learn how to debug students’ code
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> each of those is VERY important
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> I used to teach ( "facilitate learning experiences in a student centred
> harmonious learning environment” )
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> and I am happy to share some of the tasks I used to build student skills
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> Most of my ideas centred around : build a core and add to it and then add
> functionality and then reflect on the interface and the modules
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> Most of my things revolved around  middle out planning.
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> Students SEEMED to follow the logic of honing in on core functionality and
> then planning and creating the bits necessary to achieve those functional
> requirements
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> Real programmers plan everything before they even write an algorithm -
> students need to learn what programming is before they can program
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> It has always been my mantra that people (students) learn best by doing,
> reflecting (HA HA) and then applying forward.
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> If a large think tank is convened I am happy to contribute before dementia
> sets in
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> Andrew Shortell
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> ( gone, yes, forgotten - most likely)
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> On 28 Jul 2022, at 1:14 pm, Adrian Janson <janson.adrian.a at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Hi all,
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> I 100% support Vic's suggestion here.
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> Reflecting on the current state of teacher employment, we recently
> advertised and receive 0 applicants. ZERO. I think academia is doing the
> best it can, but we need to think about this problem a different way. (I'm
> tempted to quote Einstein here, but you all know the quote!!). Looking
> forward, a BETTER solution would be to look to the teachers we have and
> work upskilling them to deliver our APC courses.
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> Phil - perhaps you could convene a think tank around this?
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> Cheers,
> Adrian
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> On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 12:58 PM Victoria Farrell <
> farrellv at stkevins.vic.edu.au> wrote:
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> I would be keen to run some teacher training courses to upskill staff to
> teach Software. I am doing this at Parade College while I support their VCE
> class one day a week.
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> I think that would be a pro-active option for the long term to offer
> assistance to upskill teaching staff around Victoria. I have plenty of
> resources I am happy to share too, including a VB coding resource I have
> written. Coding is the main hurdle teachers have with teaching SD.
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> Thoughts?
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> On Thu, 28 Jul 2022 at 12:29, Philip Feain <
> Philip.Feain at education.vic.gov.au> wrote:
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> Dear All
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> Sorry about the cross-list posting here.
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> I have been asked by a major school (not far from the city and bay) if
> there are any Software Development teachers who would be available to cover
> their class after their teaching has become unavailable.
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> This would be for the rest of the year.
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> They are happy to discuss how this could be done understanding that
> teachers would be full-time in their current school.
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> If you are interested and think you could be able to help them out please
> let me know via my work email or phone. Don’t reply through the lists.
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> Kind Regards
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> Phil.
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