[Year 12 SofDev] Software Development position available

Fri Jul 29 00:46:37 UTC 2022

yes - I agree with all these sentiments BUT.....

(and side note - you all need to watch Moneyball)!

I don't think we are nailing what the problem is here. Yes absolutely more
skilled / trained IT teachers would be great - but the reality is that this
is not happening.

Instead - we need to address what we are faced with. Roland - I'm happy to
convene a panel at the conference on this?

Cheers,
Adrian

On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 9:54 AM Roland Gesthuizen <
Roland.Gesthuizen at education.vic.gov.au> wrote:

> Thanks Andrew, there are method subjects that explicitly teaches this at
> Univeristy (and a friendly shout out to my former PST who are now teaching
> :-)
>
> An increasing majority of teachers of Physics and Applied Computing
> schools are now teaching “out-of-field" and whilst they do a remarkable
> job, their situation is not going to improve.
>
> Like others, I suspect the dismantling and diminishing of teaching
> digitech across the middle school years has also been unhelpful. Nothing
> good ever comes from diminishing or removing teacher agency. It’s hard to
> beat a skilled method teacher like you to to command good practice as you
> have done here with your red pen to underline what teachers should be able
> to do in order to teach our subject well. I salute your experience.
>
> There is a prof at Monash Uni who is doing some interesting research in
> this space and noted some interesting findings. Could be a good keynote or
> guest speaker at the DLTV VCE conference later this year. (Hmmmm, I might
> pass this onto Kev)
>
> Regards Roland
>
> On 28 Jul 2022, at 7:48 pm, Andrew Shortell <shortell at get2me.net> wrote:
>
> Hi All
> Even though I am busy fading into the sunset this email chain is
> attractive (in the nicest way)
>
> When we (YOU) look at up-skilling teachers…
> •first they need to learn to code
> •THEN they need to learn to teach coding
> •AND they need to learn how to debug students’ code
>
> each of those is VERY important
>
> I used to teach ( "facilitate learning experiences in a student centred
> harmonious learning environment” )
> and I am happy to share some of the tasks I used to build student skills
>
> Most of my ideas centred around : build a core and add to it and then add
> functionality and then reflect on the interface and the modules
> Most of my things revolved around  middle out planning.
> Students SEEMED to follow the logic of honing in on core functionality and
> then planning and creating the bits necessary to achieve those functional
> requirements
>
> Real programmers plan everything before they even write an algorithm -
> students need to learn what programming is before they can program
> It has always been my mantra that people (students) learn best by doing,
> reflecting (HA HA) and then applying forward.
>
> If a large think tank is convened I am happy to contribute before dementia
> sets in
>
> Andrew Shortell
>
> ( gone, yes, forgotten - most likely)
>
>
>
> On 28 Jul 2022, at 1:14 pm, Adrian Janson <janson.adrian.a at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I 100% support Vic's suggestion here.
>
> Reflecting on the current state of teacher employment, we recently
> advertised and receive 0 applicants. ZERO. I think academia is doing the
> best it can, but we need to think about this problem a different way. (I'm
> tempted to quote Einstein here, but you all know the quote!!). Looking
> forward, a BETTER solution would be to look to the teachers we have and
> work upskilling them to deliver our APC courses.
>
> Phil - perhaps you could convene a think tank around this?
>
> Cheers,
> Adrian
>
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 12:58 PM Victoria Farrell <
> farrellv at stkevins.vic.edu.au> wrote:
>
>> I would be keen to run some teacher training courses to upskill staff to
>> teach Software. I am doing this at Parade College while I support their VCE
>> class one day a week.
>>
>> I think that would be a pro-active option for the long term to offer
>> assistance to upskill teaching staff around Victoria. I have plenty of
>> resources I am happy to share too, including a VB coding resource I have
>> written. Coding is the main hurdle teachers have with teaching SD.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
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>> On Thu, 28 Jul 2022 at 12:29, Philip Feain <
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>>> Dear All
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry about the cross-list posting here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have been asked by a major school (not far from the city and bay) if
>>> there are any Software Development teachers who would be available to cover
>>> their class after their teaching has become unavailable.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This would be for the rest of the year.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> They are happy to discuss how this could be done understanding that
>>> teachers would be full-time in their current school.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you are interested and think you could be able to help them out
>>> please let me know via my work email or phone. Don’t reply through the
>>> lists.
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>>>
>>>
>>> Kind Regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Phil.
>>>
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