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<div>An increasing majority of teachers of Physics and Applied Computing schools are now teaching “out-of-field" and whilst they do a remarkable job, their situation is not going to improve.</div>
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<div>Like others, I suspect the dismantling and diminishing of teaching digitech across the middle school years has also been unhelpful. Nothing good ever comes from diminishing or removing teacher agency. It’s hard to beat a skilled method teacher
like you to to command good practice as you have done here with your red pen to underline what teachers should be able to do in order to teach our subject well. I salute your experience.</div>
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<div>There is a prof at Monash Uni who is doing some interesting research in this space and noted some interesting findings. Could be a good keynote or guest speaker at the DLTV VCE conference later this year. (Hmmmm, I might pass this onto Kev)</div>
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<div>When we (YOU) look at up-skilling teachers… </div>
<div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>•first they need to learn to code </div>
<div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>•THEN they need to learn to teach coding </div>
<div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>•AND they need to learn how to debug students’ code</div>
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<div>each of those is VERY important</div>
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<div>I used to teach ( "facilitate learning experiences in a student centred harmonious learning environment” ) </div>
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<div>Most of my ideas centred around : build a core and add to it and then add functionality and then reflect on the interface and the modules</div>
<div>Most of my things revolved around middle out planning.</div>
<div>Students SEEMED to follow the logic of honing in on core functionality and then planning and creating the bits necessary to achieve those functional requirements </div>
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<div>Real programmers plan everything before they even write an algorithm - students need to learn what programming is before they can program</div>
<div>It has always been my mantra that people (students) learn best by doing, reflecting (HA HA) and then applying forward.</div>
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<div>Reflecting on the current state of teacher employment, we recently advertised and receive 0 applicants. ZERO. I think academia is doing the best it can, but we need to think about this problem a different way. (I'm tempted to quote Einstein here,
but you all know the quote!!). Looking forward, a BETTER solution would be to look to the teachers we have and work upskilling them to deliver our APC courses. </div>
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<div>I think that would be a pro-active option for the long term to offer assistance to upskill teaching staff around Victoria. I have plenty of resources I am happy to share too, including a VB coding resource I have written. Coding is the main hurdle
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