[Year 12 SofDev] SD U3O1 KK07

Mon Apr 18 00:03:43 UTC 2022

Thanks, James and Adrian. This KK sounds like it was put into the design as
an aspirational message rather than as a specific teaching point.
But surely it could have been framed as a concrete learning item, e.g. *How*
 *a programming language can be used to meet a variety of needs.*

Or whatever it was trying to get at. It sounds like a *Girlfriend KK ™*:

She: How you can meet my needs!
You: What needs?
She: You know.
You: Not really.
She: My *needs*. My *specified *needs.
You: When did you specify them?
She: I shouldn't *have* to specify them.
You: OK. Now you're sounding like a study design.
Slap

On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 at 19:04, Adrian Janson <janson.adrian.a at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Sven,
>
> It really is what it sounds like. Plus not all KK points translate
> literally to questions on the exam. As they say in The Castle, "It's the
> vibe of it".
>
> I think it's a good practice to drill down each KK point - and for most of
> them, you could write a targetted question. For this one, given that the
> context of the statement describes the course, I don't think it translates
> directly (my 2c).
>
> Cheers,
> Adrian
>
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 6:59 PM Vella James <VellaJ at loyola.vic.edu.au>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Sven
>>
>> Reminder that U3O1 doesn’t apply to the SAT directly, as the SAT is
>> assessed by U3O2 and U4O1. The indirect link is that students would utilise
>> the some/most skills developed in U3O1 in the U4O1 component of their SAT.
>>
>> The KK statement you’ve referenced links to the outcome statement and
>> assessment for U3O1 where students are developing working modules using a
>> programming language.
>>
>> Hope my 2c adds to Andrew’s points and helps.
>>
>> JV
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 17 Apr 2022, at 14:39, 7 <7 at 7u7.org> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Thanks, Andrew.
>>
>> But what would an SD U3O1 KK07 question on the *exam* look like?
>> I can't imagine it.
>> And its application to a SAT is equally mysterious.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 at 13:55, Andrew Shortell <shortell at get2me.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> hi Sven
>>> I see this as key knowledge on HOW to use a programming language to do …
>>> etc
>>>
>>> Most students are only exposed to one language at school ….
>>> if you have good digi  tech in 7-9 then they will have met at least one
>>> other language
>>> THEN they can see that different programming languages will meet
>>> different needs better.
>>>
>>> NO single language can meet all needs ( though a compiler meets the
>>> programming language but is still limited by the hardware)
>>> NO single hardware can meet all needs
>>>
>>> So where does this go?
>>>
>>> think about all the other languages which you have used on different
>>> platforms with different IDEs and each one was used to meet specified needs
>>>
>>> LISP (now sadly out of fashion) was magnificent. I loved it and its
>>> recursive techniques.
>>> Fortran worked really well for math type things
>>> COBOL was useful in business applications. Its limits were shown up by
>>> the y2k issue where programs were written in the 60’s and 70’s and were
>>> still working ok in the 99’s
>>>
>>> As part of accepting that I am now unemployed (permanently which is
>>> effectively retired) I looked back on all of the languages I have learnt
>>> (about 25 approx). Many of them only met certain needs and were useless in
>>> other contexts. Most i have not used in a long time.
>>>
>>> so, TO ME, this is a given.
>>>
>>> The KK is to understand that ONE language can NOT do all things.
>>>
>>> So my SAC u3o1 and the SAT are structured around what the language I use
>>> in class can do .
>>>
>>> So I emphasise that the SAT (and u3o1) must demonstrate load, save, add,
>>> edit, delete, sort, search.
>>> Any client in a business will need ALL of those things.
>>>
>>> *(Also I did NOT write that KK in the Study Design but I do fully
>>> support it.)*
>>>
>>> A games writing team will use a seriously different language for its
>>> needs.
>>>
>>> Apologies for a very long winded reply
>>>
>>> Hope this helps
>>>
>>> Andrew Shortell
>>> (retired and given up on working in a classroom)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16 Apr 2022, at 2:26 pm, 7 <7 at 7u7.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, Adrian.
>>>
>>> So how can students prepare for a question based on *SD U3O1 KK07 - **A
>>> programming language as a method for developing working modules that meet
>>> specified needs*
>>>
>>> *Question A3: To what degree is a programming language a method for
>>> developing working modules that meet specified needs?*
>>> A. Not at all
>>> B. It's better than a compiler but worse than an algorithm.
>>> C. Really, quite a lot when you sit down and really think about it.
>>> D. It's more important than *God*.
>>> E. I don't understand the question and there is no "E" option in
>>> section A. Give me a mark anyway.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> *7 aka Sven*
>>>
>>> Not at all mysterious.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 at 13:19, Adrian Janson <janson.adrian.a at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi "7",
>>>>
>>>> You've got to remember that the study design lays out the intentions
>>>> and content of the course. So this statement is really a fundamental one.
>>>> Software is developed to meet specified needs (says the teacher). Got it
>>>> (says their students).
>>>>
>>>> Life's a fillet of fish.... yes it is.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Adrian
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 1:16 PM 7 <7 at 7u7.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Surely *all* software is developed to meet specified needs.
>>>>> One does not code a module just in case someone needs it.
>>>>>
>>>>> So is the answer to SD U3O1 KK07 simply, "*Yes, it is*" ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 at 12:35, Janene Watt <
>>>>> Janene.Watt at education.vic.gov.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I would think that this refers to thinks such as a module around
>>>>>> internationalisation so that you could customise solutions based on
>>>>>> Language, date and time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alternatively, it could be a function that allows page content to be
>>>>>> read by a screen reader.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I may not have this right though. Good question !
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Janene*
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> SD U3O1 KK07 - *A programming language as a method for developing
>>>>>> working modules that meet specified needs*
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> What exactly is supposed to be taught here?
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