[Year 12 SofDev] SD U3O1 KK07

Sun Apr 17 09:04:14 UTC 2022

Hi Sven,

It really is what it sounds like. Plus not all KK points translate
literally to questions on the exam. As they say in The Castle, "It's the
vibe of it".

I think it's a good practice to drill down each KK point - and for most of
them, you could write a targetted question. For this one, given that the
context of the statement describes the course, I don't think it translates
directly (my 2c).

Cheers,
Adrian

On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 6:59 PM Vella James <VellaJ at loyola.vic.edu.au>
wrote:

> Hi Sven
>
> Reminder that U3O1 doesn’t apply to the SAT directly, as the SAT is
> assessed by U3O2 and U4O1. The indirect link is that students would utilise
> the some/most skills developed in U3O1 in the U4O1 component of their SAT.
>
> The KK statement you’ve referenced links to the outcome statement and
> assessment for U3O1 where students are developing working modules using a
> programming language.
>
> Hope my 2c adds to Andrew’s points and helps.
>
> JV
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 17 Apr 2022, at 14:39, 7 <7 at 7u7.org> wrote:
>
> 
> Thanks, Andrew.
>
> But what would an SD U3O1 KK07 question on the *exam* look like?
> I can't imagine it.
> And its application to a SAT is equally mysterious.
>
>
>
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 at 13:55, Andrew Shortell <shortell at get2me.net> wrote:
>
>> hi Sven
>> I see this as key knowledge on HOW to use a programming language to do …
>> etc
>>
>> Most students are only exposed to one language at school ….
>> if you have good digi  tech in 7-9 then they will have met at least one
>> other language
>> THEN they can see that different programming languages will meet
>> different needs better.
>>
>> NO single language can meet all needs ( though a compiler meets the
>> programming language but is still limited by the hardware)
>> NO single hardware can meet all needs
>>
>> So where does this go?
>>
>> think about all the other languages which you have used on different
>> platforms with different IDEs and each one was used to meet specified needs
>>
>> LISP (now sadly out of fashion) was magnificent. I loved it and its
>> recursive techniques.
>> Fortran worked really well for math type things
>> COBOL was useful in business applications. Its limits were shown up by
>> the y2k issue where programs were written in the 60’s and 70’s and were
>> still working ok in the 99’s
>>
>> As part of accepting that I am now unemployed (permanently which is
>> effectively retired) I looked back on all of the languages I have learnt
>> (about 25 approx). Many of them only met certain needs and were useless in
>> other contexts. Most i have not used in a long time.
>>
>> so, TO ME, this is a given.
>>
>> The KK is to understand that ONE language can NOT do all things.
>>
>> So my SAC u3o1 and the SAT are structured around what the language I use
>> in class can do .
>>
>> So I emphasise that the SAT (and u3o1) must demonstrate load, save, add,
>> edit, delete, sort, search.
>> Any client in a business will need ALL of those things.
>>
>> *(Also I did NOT write that KK in the Study Design but I do fully support
>> it.)*
>>
>> A games writing team will use a seriously different language for its
>> needs.
>>
>> Apologies for a very long winded reply
>>
>> Hope this helps
>>
>> Andrew Shortell
>> (retired and given up on working in a classroom)
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16 Apr 2022, at 2:26 pm, 7 <7 at 7u7.org> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Adrian.
>>
>> So how can students prepare for a question based on *SD U3O1 KK07 - **A
>> programming language as a method for developing working modules that meet
>> specified needs*
>>
>> *Question A3: To what degree is a programming language a method for
>> developing working modules that meet specified needs?*
>> A. Not at all
>> B. It's better than a compiler but worse than an algorithm.
>> C. Really, quite a lot when you sit down and really think about it.
>> D. It's more important than *God*.
>> E. I don't understand the question and there is no "E" option in
>> section A. Give me a mark anyway.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> *7 aka Sven*
>>
>> Not at all mysterious.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 at 13:19, Adrian Janson <janson.adrian.a at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi "7",
>>>
>>> You've got to remember that the study design lays out the intentions and
>>> content of the course. So this statement is really a fundamental one.
>>> Software is developed to meet specified needs (says the teacher). Got it
>>> (says their students).
>>>
>>> Life's a fillet of fish.... yes it is.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Adrian
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 1:16 PM 7 <7 at 7u7.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Surely *all* software is developed to meet specified needs.
>>>> One does not code a module just in case someone needs it.
>>>>
>>>> So is the answer to SD U3O1 KK07 simply, "*Yes, it is*" ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 at 12:35, Janene Watt <
>>>> Janene.Watt at education.vic.gov.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I would think that this refers to thinks such as a module around
>>>>> internationalisation so that you could customise solutions based on
>>>>> Language, date and time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alternatively, it could be a function that allows page content to be
>>>>> read by a screen reader.
>>>>>
>>>>> I may not have this right though. Good question !
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> *Janene*
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