[Year 12 SofDev] Drop in IT Appliced Computing numbers

Thu Nov 18 03:57:06 UTC 2021

Hi Litsa, Kevork and others,
We have dwindling numbers here too. 2022 will be the first time in as long as I’ve been teaching that we will have single digit enrolments in year 12 SD and with only 13 in year 11, the prospects aren’t great for 2023 either. If it keeps going this way, I doubt we’ll offer Computing for very long. I was once told that if a subject drops below 10 here, it doesn’t get offered again. ☹ Crossing my fingers I can keep all of the year 11’s!!
Psych and now to a slightly lesser extent BM are the courses most of our kids that aren’t doing the chem/physics/maths groupings seem to be migrating to. I don’t know if that’s due to a seemingly lower workload, better scaling, future job prospects or what? General chats with kids in the yard seem to point to scaling and job prospects as the big boom for psych, IT just doesn’t have that future job that isn’t coding desirability.
We offered a coding class for year 10 for the first time this year, not sure if it has helped or hindered our numbers, I fear it’s the latter, we were hoping it would be more popular and make VCE IT seem less daunting and more achievable.
I’d love to hear of anyone that may have found a way to reverse the trend!
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Hi Kevork,

We stopped running Data Analytics in 2017 due to a lack of student interest. Now our Software Dev classes are dwindling - kept afloat only by allowing top Year 11s access to the 3/4 subject. A lot of negative feedback from Software Development students identifies the limited amount of actual coding in relation to the amount of project management required. The addition of the Development Model has teachers and students scratching their heads given the limited time frame we have for the SAT. I'm hoping to get the HESS subject up and running in 2023. We have found surveying our best coding students, that Algorithmics is the kind of subject they want to do. Despite trying to 'sex-up' Data Analytics with an eCommerce context (eCommerce has become a very popular Year 10 subject) most are not interested in doing Data Analytics in 3/4 and we can not fill a class.

I would love to hear from schools who have a strong Data Analytics course each year and how they retain students in that subject.

Kind regards,
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On Thu, 18 Nov 2021 at 12:03, Kevork Krozian <kkrozian at rt.vic.edu.au<mailto:kkrozian at rt.vic.edu.au>> wrote:
Hi Folks

  Sorry for the cross post . Please ignore if you have seen this already in the Data Analytics forum.
I thought the story below might be of interest to our SofDev subscribers.

Happy to discuss these options and pathways further for anyone interested.

Kind Regards
Kevork

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Subject: Re: [Informatics] informatics Digest, Vol 70, Issue 7

Hi Folks

   Shrinking VCE Applied Computing numbers is a sad reality for most schools.

Compare that with our mid 1990s heyday when VCE Processing and Management was the third highest enrolment of any VCE study ( happy to be corrected if I am not 100% correct here ).
Much effort has been expended in the last decade trying to revive our studies but sadly we haven't found a cure yet.

At VCE Unit 3-4 we offer Data Analytics, Software Development, HESS Algorithmics, VET IT Certificate II, VET IT Certificate III , VET Cisco.
VET Cisco counts as two Unit 3-4 credits ( one per year ) and Algorithmics can fast track students in tertiary IT and Computer Science courses.
Quite the feast for the IT lover, spoilt for choice, yet we are undoubtedly shrinking overall.
I have taught five out of six and been an examiner on the sixth. Very rewarding.

Is there any other field that offers six options at VCE Units 3-4 or VCAL ?

At Ringwood Training we have managed to help students who would otherwise miss out in their home school through the provision of three VET in Schools courses:

 1. VET Certificate III in IT ( Networking and Cybersecurity ) - can be a scored or a non-scored study
 2. VET Certificate III in IT ( Multimedia and Gaming)  - can be a scored or a non-scored study
 3. VET Cisco CCNA ( Cisco Certified Network Associate )  - only non-scored with a 10% ATAR bonus contribution per year of Cisco.

We tend to have up to 120 students from almost 50 schools in these courses across two year levels of VCE/VET/VCAL.
Without this aggregation I don't know that any one school would find these courses viable sad to say.

Students continue beyond Yr 12 to post school pathways (see attached ) which we often combine with employment usually on a part time basis with our industry contacts.

I haven't solved your local problems Litsa and Xin, however if the alternative is these students miss out totally,
getting them to a different location will be the smaller of two evils.

Kindest Regards

Kevork Krozian
IT Pathways Manager
Ringwood Training
Tel 0419 356 034

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G’day Litsa, i am curious if any institutions are running a distance education version of VET IT. Just curious.

Kevork does this with a team at Ringwood SC. I have met some of his students and they do some great work.

For others following this thread, check out in the other email that I shared what we do at VSV to support teaching AC, DA and SD for VCE students.

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On 17 Nov 2021, at 2:15 pm, Litsa Tzelepis <htzelepis at msj.vic.edu.au<mailto:htzelepis at msj.vic.edu.au>> wrote:

Oh wow - we have had this in the past but cancelled the VET IT course - although I think it may suit some of our students who may not wanted to take on the VCE courses.

We have a class of 4 and 7 next year (11 & 12 respectively).

Thank-you for your reply,
Litsa :-)

On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 2:01 PM Chen, Xin <xchen at mazenod.vic.edu.au<mailto:xchen at mazenod.vic.edu.au>> wrote:

Hi Litsa,

Yes, this is happening. My school is even worse—Applied Computing is replaced by VET IT from Y10 to Y12 now. Such a shame!

Thanks

Regards

Xin

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Hello 🌻

I'm just wondering if schools are seeing a drop in Applied Computing and
Data Analytics numbers for 2022?

We still have 1 class per year level, but they are slightly smaller than
this year.

Just checking - thank-you,
I hope all is well 🍄
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Final enrolment numbers in AC, DA or SD can vary widely from school to school across different years. It’s complex for a range of reasons. Many years ago I discovered that it mattered how computing was promoted in our school (7-10), how it was perceived by parents even in the junior year levels (events like Grok challenges or computing clubs) and even, what it was blocked against in the VCE timetable.

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> On 17 Nov 2021, at 1:08 pm, Litsa Tzelepis <htzelepis at msj.vic.edu.au<mailto:htzelepis at msj.vic.edu.au>> wrote:
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> I'm just wondering if schools are seeing a drop in Applied Computing and Data Analytics numbers for 2022?
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> We still have 1 class per year level, but they are slightly smaller than this year.
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> Just checking - thank-you,
> I hope all is well 🍄
> Litsa
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