[Year 12 SofDev] Real world problem

Wed Apr 3 00:52:04 UTC 2019

For Python users, XML has native support (though there are lots of modules
that also do this - some quite elegantly). It is very easy to read and
write files and is a much better option than linking to a database (from
the perspective of mobile deployment).

Cheers,
Adrian

On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 11:27 AM Andrew Shortell <shortell at get2me.net> wrote:

> Chris has nailed it
> I generally use text files, then during the folio phase I change a file
> structure so then that can introduce xml
>
> In the SAT I generally let them choose - many pick text files but note in
> the documentation that it requires effort to change the data structure and
> that it is not easily scalable and not easily transferable. etc
>
> I have used access with VB.net  - the only issue is that it requires
> students to understand access as well - sometimes well beyond some students
> except the most able. The actual techniques are do-able  BUT do you really
> want to add that level of complication to something that is already a
> mighty task?
>
> Andrew
>
> (at Lalor SC)
>
>
>
> On Wed, 3 Apr 2019 at 09:35, Chris Bucknell <
> Chris.Bucknell at haileybury.vic.edu.au> wrote:
>
>> Hi David,
>>
>>
>>
>> James is 100% correct.  Choose the technology that is most appropriate
>> for the solution.  It the solution is a data driven web solution then a
>> database would be most appropriate.  If the solution is a native mobile app
>> and requires storing state data locally then an XML file might be
>> appropriate.
>>
>>
>>
>> XML is accessible on the exam but that doesn’t mean we should just use it
>> for all data storage.  We taught it in U3AoS1 – and might have even used it
>> as part of SAC, but that doesn’t mean that we should just use this one
>> technology.
>>
>>
>>
>> The SAT gives our students the opportunity to experience the fun of
>> developing a complex software solution that is relevant to them and part of
>> that is to pick the technology that is most appropriate.  And with the
>> study design having the key knowledge point:
>>
>>    - “formatting and structural characteristics of input and output,
>>    including XML file formats”
>>
>> then choosing the appropriate technology ensure that students will
>> actually need to understand this.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also for VB.Net it not really that bad to get data out of an access
>> database if you use ADO.net with an OleDb data provider and DON’T bind the
>> controls to the dataset (email me directly if you want my resources).
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> *Chris Bucknell*
>>
>> Head of CDT; Coord,VCE Exams & Internal Exams
>>
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>>
>> *From:* sofdev <sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au> *On Behalf Of *Victoria
>> Farrell
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 3 April 2019 8:54 AM
>> *To:* Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <
>> sofdev at edulists.com.au>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Real world problem
>>
>>
>>
>> I recommend making sure students use XML because it’s on the exam.
>>
>>
>>
>> Access can be tricky. Search for “Firchild” on YouTube. He has made about
>> 7 videos on how to set up an Access db with VB.
>>
>>
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 3 Apr 2019 at 7:56 am, James Vella <
>> James.Vella at avemaria.vic.edu.au> wrote:
>>
>> Hi David
>>
>>
>>
>> Over the years, linking in with Access databases was just one way that my
>> students did it. Some used SQL databases (using XAMPP – pretty safe if
>> students only have the virtual servers on when they are using it), other
>> have used plain-text files, whilst others XML files.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ultimately which external storage technology students use should be
>> dependent on the solution’s needs. *What is the best storage technology
>> that meets my needs and is feasible?*
>>
>>
>>
>> JV
>>
>>
>>
>> James Vella
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>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 April 2019 8:23 PM
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>> Thank you very much for your help. It is great to see the level of the
>> projects.
>>
>> I wonder if I can also ask you / anyone what technology you resort to for
>> the ‘design, construct and use of external storage’ within the programming
>> requirements?
>>
>> I have been looking at interfacing VB.net with an access database. Is
>> that a common way to achieve the external storage requirements?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> David.
>>
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>> *From:* sofdev <sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au> *On Behalf Of *Victoria
>> Farrell
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 1, 2019 7:30 AM
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>> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Real world problem
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>> Hi David,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have had a wide range of SAT projects:
>>
>>
>>
>>    - A game to assist children learn to do basic mathematics (Client:
>>    parent)
>>    - Administration for a shopping centre valet service (Client: CEO of
>>    a shopping centre)
>>    - Class/Room timetable system (Clients: teacher and a hair dresser)
>>    - Booking systems for resources at school, small businesses  (Client:
>>    Teacher or sole trader)
>>    - Financial management systems (Client: parent/ sole trader)
>>    - Health Apps to read in data from wearable technology - or monitor
>>    social media use(Client: sports people, gamer addicts)
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> Vic
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>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 4:14 PM David B Thomas <
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>> Also, as this is my first year with Software Development (the course not
>> the skill) does anyone please have any examples whatsoever of a ‘real world
>> problem or opportunity’ called for by the Software Development
>> Administrative information for school based assessment 2019?
>>
>>
>>
>> Just one or two that students have selected in the past would be helpful
>> to look at.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> David.
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