[Year 12 SofDev] Real world problem

Wed Apr 3 00:27:09 UTC 2019

Chris has nailed it
I generally use text files, then during the folio phase I change a file
structure so then that can introduce xml

In the SAT I generally let them choose - many pick text files but note in
the documentation that it requires effort to change the data structure and
that it is not easily scalable and not easily transferable. etc

I have used access with VB.net  - the only issue is that it requires
students to understand access as well - sometimes well beyond some students
except the most able. The actual techniques are do-able  BUT do you really
want to add that level of complication to something that is already a
mighty task?

Andrew

(at Lalor SC)

On Wed, 3 Apr 2019 at 09:35, Chris Bucknell <
Chris.Bucknell at haileybury.vic.edu.au> wrote:

> Hi David,
>
>
>
> James is 100% correct.  Choose the technology that is most appropriate for
> the solution.  It the solution is a data driven web solution then a
> database would be most appropriate.  If the solution is a native mobile app
> and requires storing state data locally then an XML file might be
> appropriate.
>
>
>
> XML is accessible on the exam but that doesn’t mean we should just use it
> for all data storage.  We taught it in U3AoS1 – and might have even used it
> as part of SAC, but that doesn’t mean that we should just use this one
> technology.
>
>
>
> The SAT gives our students the opportunity to experience the fun of
> developing a complex software solution that is relevant to them and part of
> that is to pick the technology that is most appropriate.  And with the
> study design having the key knowledge point:
>
>    - “formatting and structural characteristics of input and output,
>    including XML file formats”
>
> then choosing the appropriate technology ensure that students will
> actually need to understand this.
>
>
>
> Also for VB.Net it not really that bad to get data out of an access
> database if you use ADO.net with an OleDb data provider and DON’T bind the
> controls to the dataset (email me directly if you want my resources).
>
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>
> Regards
>
>
>
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> *From:* sofdev <sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au> *On Behalf Of *Victoria
> Farrell
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 3 April 2019 8:54 AM
> *To:* Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <
> sofdev at edulists.com.au>
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Real world problem
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> I recommend making sure students use XML because it’s on the exam.
>
>
>
> Access can be tricky. Search for “Firchild” on YouTube. He has made about
> 7 videos on how to set up an Access db with VB.
>
>
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> Good luck.
>
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>
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> On Wed, 3 Apr 2019 at 7:56 am, James Vella <
> James.Vella at avemaria.vic.edu.au> wrote:
>
> Hi David
>
>
>
> Over the years, linking in with Access databases was just one way that my
> students did it. Some used SQL databases (using XAMPP – pretty safe if
> students only have the virtual servers on when they are using it), other
> have used plain-text files, whilst others XML files.
>
>
>
> Ultimately which external storage technology students use should be
> dependent on the solution’s needs. *What is the best storage technology
> that meets my needs and is feasible?*
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> JV
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> *From:* sofdev <sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au> *On Behalf Of *David B
> Thomas
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 April 2019 8:23 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Real world problem
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> Thank you very much for your help. It is great to see the level of the
> projects.
>
> I wonder if I can also ask you / anyone what technology you resort to for
> the ‘design, construct and use of external storage’ within the programming
> requirements?
>
> I have been looking at interfacing VB.net with an access database. Is
> that a common way to achieve the external storage requirements?
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> David.
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> *From:* sofdev <sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au> *On Behalf Of *Victoria
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> Hi David,
>
>
>
> I have had a wide range of SAT projects:
>
>
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>    - A game to assist children learn to do basic mathematics (Client:
>    parent)
>    - Administration for a shopping centre valet service (Client: CEO of
>    a shopping centre)
>    - Class/Room timetable system (Clients: teacher and a hair dresser)
>    - Booking systems for resources at school, small businesses  (Client:
>    Teacher or sole trader)
>    - Financial management systems (Client: parent/ sole trader)
>    - Health Apps to read in data from wearable technology - or monitor
>    social media use(Client: sports people, gamer addicts)
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>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Vic
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> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 4:14 PM David B Thomas <david.b.thomas at rmit.edu.au>
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> Also, as this is my first year with Software Development (the course not
> the skill) does anyone please have any examples whatsoever of a ‘real world
> problem or opportunity’ called for by the Software Development
> Administrative information for school based assessment 2019?
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>
>
> Just one or two that students have selected in the past would be helpful
> to look at.
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> Thanks,
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