[Year 12 SofDev] Data Integrity: different between accuracy and correctness

Thu Sep 8 16:24:15 AEST 2016

Hi Michael

Don't assume that the number of lines provided in the exam paper dictates
how many lines are required in the answers.
Questions in sections B and C provide space that suggest - but do not
mandate - now long answers should be.

In this case, if the examiner said, "There are x lines missing in this
pseudocode", they might have provided undue assistance.
The examiners needed to provide extra space for kids who want to provide
incorrect answers.

The only exception to my rule is when only *one* line is provided for an
exam answer: that is a sure sign that only a *name* needs to be provided
for 1 mark.

Regards,
Mark

On 8 September 2016 at 15:42, Cope, Michael S <
cope.michael.s at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:

> Thanks for the sample exam questions,
>
> A question for those out there reading through, QB2, in the question body
> it says 5 lines of code are missing. Your sample solution contains 4 lines
> and does the job. When marking an exam will there be strict adherence to
> the number of lines used ? If a student uses 6 will they be marked down? Or
> is this another example of a poorly written question?
>
>
>
> *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces@
> edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Mark
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 7 September 2016 3:41 PM
>
> *To:* Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <
> sofdev at edulists.com.au>
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Data Integrity: different between
> accuracy and correctness
>
>
>
> But we know that validation does not check for data accuracy...
>
>
>
> And data can be accurate and correct even if it's not authentic.
>
>
>
> And... Oh no!  Help me!
>
>
>
> I'm MELTING....
>
>
>
> Marrrrrrrrr....
>
>
>
> Plop
>
>
> On Wednesday, 7 September 2016, Darren Scott <dscott at ccb.vic.edu.au>
> wrote:
>
> I’m pretty sure that when VCAA use the word “including” it means that
> those concepts are examinable. So you can talk about completeness with your
> class as much as you want, but the only ones that will/could appear on a
> VCAA exam are accuracy, timeliness, reasonableness, authenticity, and
> correctness.
>
>
>
> I did have a dumb thought … could correctness be considered a container
> for the others? Would a student be considered correct if they said
> correctness included completeness, validity, consistency, etc.?
>
> D.
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> Darren Scott
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> *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces@
> edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Mel Yuan
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 7 September 2016 3:15 PM
> *To:* Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <
> sofdev at edulists.com.au>
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Data Integrity: different between
> accuracy andcorrectness
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I hate to be a spoilsport because this discussion is so much fun, but if
> you look at the KK it does say “including …” which I read as “including,
> but not limited to …” .
>
>
>
> You could round-up a bunch of definitions of data quality/ data integrity
> and they would have various combinations and permutations of definitions.
>
>
>
> [image: Image result for data quality]
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> [image: Image result for data quality]
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> [image: Image result for data quality]
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> [image: Image result for data quality]
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>
> Cheers, Mel
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>
>
>
>
> On 7 Sep 2016, at 2:59 pm, Mark <mark at vceit.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Please come in. Sit down.
>
> Don't step on the cat.
>
> And don't take any of my cows. I've counted them.
>
>
>
> Let me take your hand. Yes. I can see by your palm that you are troubled.
>
> A loved one has died? No?
>
>
>
> Ah, now I see.
>
> You cannot tell the difference between *accuracy* and *correctness*.
>
> There's a lot of that going around.
>
>
>
> Let me consult my crystal ball...
>
> I see someone called 'VCAA'. Your spouse? No? It's a strange name. Is it
> Italian?
>
> Ah. Now it all becomes clear. I can *see the future*.
>
>
>
> <spooky voice>
>
>    - *Prediction 1*: VCAA is *never* going to explain the difference
>    between accuracy and correctness. Because they can't, in any sensible way.
>    - *Prediction 2*: Instead, to avoid a sticky exam moment, VCAA will
>    *never* directly examine students on accuracy vs correctness*.
>    - *Prediction 3*: The next study design will quietly edit out the
>    accuracy/correctness awkwardness.
>
> </spooky voice>
>
>
>
> Now, please cross my palm with silver before you leave the tent.
>
>
>
> Madame Mark, the Mysterious.
>
>
>
> * But I'd love to see them try.
>
>
>
> On 3 September 2016 at 18:36, Tony Crewe <TonyCrewe at caulfieldgs.vic.edu.au>
> wrote:
>
> It does not really matter we we all think (2c or otherwise), saying
> correct and accurate are the same is not helpful.
>
>
>
> The study design dot point on key knowledge ....
>
> "characteristics of data that has integrity, including accuracy,
> timeliness, reasonableness, authenticity, correctness"
>
>
>
> So we need to advise our students about these five characteristics.
>
> Can we get some clarification from vcaa about this?
>
> Potentially an Exam case study question could ask about different
> characteristics of data. I hope not.
>
>
> Tony Crewe
>
>
> On 3 Sep 2016, at 6:21 PM, "timmer at westnet.com.au" <timmer at westnet.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> Add another 2 cents to the pile.
>
> I tend to agree with Robert that in the context of data integrity
> 'correctness' and 'accuracy' are more or less synonymous, but they each do
> have a different feel to them. "The correctness of the data was called into
> question" versus "The accuracy of the data was called into question" -
> maybe it's just me, but 'correctness' has a more holistic feel to it, while
> 'accuracy' feels much more specific somehow. Hopefully students will never
> be asked to pin down the subtle distinction
>
> In light of the discussion so far, I can't resist this entry from a 1926
> Webster's Dictionary in my possession:
>
> "*Correct*, *Accurate*, *Exact*, *Precise*, *Nice* agree in the idea of
> conformity to standard, fact, or truth. *Correct*, the most colorless
> term, denotes scarcely more than freedom from fault or error, as judged by
> some (usually) conventional or acknowledged standard; as, *correct*
> dress, style, deportment; ... *Accurate* implies, more positively,
> conformity to fact or truth attained by the exercise of care; as, an
> *accurate* investigation, statement, observer. ... *Exact* emphasizes the
> strictness or rigor of the agreement, which neither exceeds nor falls short
> of the fact of standard; ... *Precise* stresses rather sharpness of
> definition or delimitation, or scrupulous exactness of conformity to the
> standard as often verges on excess; ... *Nice* implies still greater,
> occasionally excessive, fineness or delicacy of observation or
> discrimination ...
>
> Regards
>
> Robert T-A
>
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> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Data Integrity: different between accuracy
> andcorrectness
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> PS - It is woth noting that most writing on data integrity refers to
> "accuracy and consistency" and does not mention "correctness"
>
> Robert Hind
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> From: Robert Hind [mailto:robert at yinnar.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2016 9:54 PM
> To: 'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [Year 12 SofDev] Data Integrity: different between accuracy
> andcorrectness
>
> Hi all, my 2c worth again - from the perspective of working with data and
> on
> database design since the early 90s.
>
> We are talking here about data integrity.
>
> We are not talking about the accuracy or precision of measurements in terms
> number of significant figures or decimal places.
> We are not talking about data formats, eg dd/mm/yyyy versus mm/dd/yyyy or
> yyyy/mm/dd
>
> Andrew's example of stating his height as 1.564334m IS a measurement
> "accurate" to 6 decimal places but it is not accurate/correct as a
> statement
> of his height.
>
> I still consider correctness and accuracy as being synonymous terms when
> talking about data integrity.
>
> Robert Hind
> Ex Traralgon and Ashwood
> Retired
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> On Behalf Of Andrew Pate
> Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2016 9:10 PM
> To: sofdev at edulists.com.au
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Data Integrity: different between accuracy
> andcorrectness
>
> Hi all,
> I have spoken about accuracy in terms of precision.
>
> I could say I am about 1.8 metres tall. That is correct, but not accurate.
> I could say I am 1.564334 metres tall. That is accurate, but not correct.
> Each situation will require a different level of accuracy that is
> acceptable
> or expected.
> Can't think of a situation where accuracy is important but correctness not.
>
> Andrew Pate
> VCE Computing teacher
> Mentone Grammar
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> And I teach them that dates recorded in this format in a file-naming
> convention is both correct and accurate as the files self-sort by date.
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> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Travis Parker
> Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2016 3:31 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Data Integrity: different between accuracy
> andcorrectness?
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> Sorry I did mean the opposite! Big week.
>
> Try again??.
> I taught my kids that if you are asked for a date in DD/MM/YYY format in a
> program then whilst ?1st of September 2016? is accurate, writing 01/09/2016
> is correct.
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> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au
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> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Mark
> Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2016 2:40 PM
> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Data Integrity: different between accuracy
> andcorrectness?
>
> I'd say the opposite.
>
> I don't think this question is ever going to be answered until we have a
> plebiscite, a Royal Commission or at least a dance-off competition.
>
> Regards,
> Mark
>
> On 1 September 2016 at 14:17, Travis Parker
> <Travis.Parker at knox.vic.edu.au<mailto:Travis.Parker at knox.vic.edu.au>>
> wrote:
> I taught my kids that if you are asked for a date in DD/MM/YYY format in a
> program then whilst ?1st of September 2016? is technically correct, writing
> 01/09/2016 is accurate.
>
> Mistake???
>
>
>
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> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au
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> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev-
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> Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2016 1:32 PM
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> I have read Mark's views on this
> http://vceit.com/wp/correctness-versus-accuracy/
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> Don't think they helped :-)
>
>
> I think they are essentially synonymous:
> eg my phone number is 0477999111 is both accurate and correct.
>
> Robert Hind
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> andcorrectness?
> Hi all,
>
> As part of the five characteristics of data integrity we have both accuracy
> and correctness; how do we differentiate the two of these?
>
> Thanks
>
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