[Year 12 SofDev] Data Integrity: different between accuracy and correctness

Cope, Michael S cope.michael.s at edumail.vic.gov.au
Thu Sep 8 15:42:25 AEST 2016 

Thanks for the sample exam questions,
A question for those out there reading through, QB2, in the question body it says 5 lines of code are missing. Your sample solution contains 4 lines and does the job. When marking an exam will there be strict adherence to the number of lines used ? If a student uses 6 will they be marked down? Or is this another example of a poorly written question?


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But we know that validation does not check for data accuracy...

And data can be accurate and correct even if it's not authentic.

And... Oh no!  Help me!

I'm MELTING....

Marrrrrrrrr....

Plop

On Wednesday, 7 September 2016, Darren Scott <dscott at ccb.vic.edu.au<mailto:dscott at ccb.vic.edu.au>> wrote:
I’m pretty sure that when VCAA use the word “including” it means that those concepts are examinable. So you can talk about completeness with your class as much as you want, but the only ones that will/could appear on a VCAA exam are accuracy, timeliness, reasonableness, authenticity, and correctness.

I did have a dumb thought … could correctness be considered a container for the others? Would a student be considered correct if they said correctness included completeness, validity, consistency, etc.?
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Hi,

I hate to be a spoilsport because this discussion is so much fun, but if you look at the KK it does say “including …” which I read as “including, but not limited to …” .

You could round-up a bunch of definitions of data quality/ data integrity and they would have various combinations and permutations of definitions.

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On 7 Sep 2016, at 2:59 pm, Mark <mark at vceit.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mark at vceit.com');>> wrote:

Please come in. Sit down.
Don't step on the cat.
And don't take any of my cows. I've counted them.

Let me take your hand. Yes. I can see by your palm that you are troubled.
A loved one has died? No?

Ah, now I see.
You cannot tell the difference between accuracy and correctness.
There's a lot of that going around.

Let me consult my crystal ball...
I see someone called 'VCAA'. Your spouse? No? It's a strange name. Is it Italian?
Ah. Now it all becomes clear. I can see the future.

<spooky voice>

  *   Prediction 1: VCAA is never going to explain the difference between accuracy and correctness. Because they can't, in any sensible way.
  *   Prediction 2: Instead, to avoid a sticky exam moment, VCAA will never directly examine students on accuracy vs correctness*.
  *   Prediction 3: The next study design will quietly edit out the accuracy/correctness awkwardness.
</spooky voice>

Now, please cross my palm with silver before you leave the tent.

Madame Mark, the Mysterious.

* But I'd love to see them try.

On 3 September 2016 at 18:36, Tony Crewe <TonyCrewe at caulfieldgs.vic.edu.au<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','TonyCrewe at caulfieldgs.vic.edu.au');>> wrote:
It does not really matter we we all think (2c or otherwise), saying correct and accurate are the same is not helpful.

The study design dot point on key knowledge ....
"characteristics of data that has integrity, including accuracy, timeliness, reasonableness, authenticity, correctness"

So we need to advise our students about these five characteristics.
Can we get some clarification from vcaa about this?
Potentially an Exam case study question could ask about different characteristics of data. I hope not.

Tony Crewe

On 3 Sep 2016, at 6:21 PM, "timmer at westnet.com.au<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','timmer at westnet.com.au');>" <timmer at westnet.com.au<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','timmer at westnet.com.au');>> wrote:
Add another 2 cents to the pile.
I tend to agree with Robert that in the context of data integrity 'correctness' and 'accuracy' are more or less synonymous, but they each do have a different feel to them. "The correctness of the data was called into question" versus "The accuracy of the data was called into question" - maybe it's just me, but 'correctness' has a more holistic feel to it, while 'accuracy' feels much more specific somehow. Hopefully students will never be asked to pin down the subtle distinction
In light of the discussion so far, I can't resist this entry from a 1926 Webster's Dictionary in my possession:
"Correct, Accurate, Exact, Precise, Nice agree in the idea of conformity to standard, fact, or truth. Correct, the most colorless term, denotes scarcely more than freedom from fault or error, as judged by some (usually) conventional or acknowledged standard; as, correct dress, style, deportment; ... Accurate implies, more positively, conformity to fact or truth attained by the exercise of care; as, an accurate investigation, statement, observer. ... Exact emphasizes the strictness or rigor of the agreement, which neither exceeds nor falls short of the fact of standard; ... Precise stresses rather sharpness of definition or delimitation, or scrupulous exactness of conformity to the standard as often verges on excess; ... Nice implies still greater, occasionally excessive, fineness or delicacy of observation or discrimination ...

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PS - It is woth noting that most writing on data integrity refers to
"accuracy and consistency" and does not mention "correctness"

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Hi all, my 2c worth again - from the perspective of working with data and on
database design since the early 90s.

We are talking here about data integrity.

We are not talking about the accuracy or precision of measurements in terms
number of significant figures or decimal places.
We are not talking about data formats, eg dd/mm/yyyy versus mm/dd/yyyy or
yyyy/mm/dd

Andrew's example of stating his height as 1.564334m IS a measurement
"accurate" to 6 decimal places but it is not accurate/correct as a statement
of his height.

I still consider correctness and accuracy as being synonymous terms when
talking about data integrity.

Robert Hind
Ex Traralgon and Ashwood
Retired


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Hi all,
I have spoken about accuracy in terms of precision.

I could say I am about 1.8 metres tall. That is correct, but not accurate.
I could say I am 1.564334 metres tall. That is accurate, but not correct.
Each situation will require a different level of accuracy that is acceptable
or expected.
Can't think of a situation where accuracy is important but correctness not.

Andrew Pate
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And I teach them that dates recorded in this format in a file-naming
convention is both correct and accurate as the files self-sort by date.
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Sorry I did mean the opposite! Big week.

Try again??.
I taught my kids that if you are asked for a date in DD/MM/YYY format in a
program then whilst ?1st of September 2016? is accurate, writing 01/09/2016
is correct.



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I'd say the opposite.

I don't think this question is ever going to be answered until we have a
plebiscite, a Royal Commission or at least a dance-off competition.

Regards,
Mark

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I taught my kids that if you are asked for a date in DD/MM/YYY format in a
program then whilst ?1st of September 2016? is technically correct, writing
01/09/2016 is accurate.

Mistake???



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I have read Mark's views on this
http://vceit.com/wp/correctness-versus-accuracy/

Don't think they helped :-)


I think they are essentially synonymous:
eg my phone number is 0477999111 is both accurate and correct.

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Hi all,

As part of the five characteristics of data integrity we have both accuracy
and correctness; how do we differentiate the two of these?

Thanks

Ben Hines

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