[Year 12 SofDev] sofdev Digest, Vol 138, Issue 8

Chris Bucknell Chris.Bucknell at haileybury.vic.edu.au
Fri Sep 2 08:27:16 AEST 2016 

As they say a picture is worth a thousand words, so try this as an explanation - and I thought I'd stop teaching Physics 15 year ago.
(Precision is another box of worms...)

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From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Robert Hind
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Thanks Robbie

You are also saying that accuracy and correctness are the same.

Robert Hind
Ex Traralgon and Ashwood
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Hi just respond to the discuss about accuracy and precision.

Accuracy refers to the ability to obtain the correct measurement.

Precision refers to the minimum difference the instrument can measure. For example, units and decimal places.

1.8 m tall might be accurate but not precise.
 1.564334 metres tall is precise but may not accurate.

Robbie Xin
Dandenong High School

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Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 11:09:52 +0000
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Hi all,
I have spoken about accuracy in terms of precision.

I could say I am about 1.8 metres tall. That is correct, but not accurate.
I could say I am 1.564334 metres tall. That is accurate, but not correct.
Each situation will require a different level of accuracy that is acceptable or expected.
Can't think of a situation where accuracy is important but correctness not.

Andrew Pate
VCE Computing teacher
Mentone Grammar

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And I teach them that dates recorded in this format in a file-naming convention is both correct and accurate as the files self-sort by date.
YYYYMMDD

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Sorry I did mean the opposite! Big week.

Try again??.
I taught my kids that if you are asked for a date in DD/MM/YYY format in a program then whilst ?1st of September 2016? is accurate, writing 01/09/2016 is correct.



Travis Parker
Timetabler
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I'd say the opposite.

I don't think this question is ever going to be answered until we have a plebiscite, a Royal Commission or at least a dance-off competition.

Regards,
Mark

On 1 September 2016 at 14:17, Travis Parker <Travis.Parker at knox.vic.edu.au<mailto:Travis.Parker at knox.vic.edu.au>> wrote:
I taught my kids that if you are asked for a date in DD/MM/YYY format in a program then whilst ?1st of September 2016? is technically correct, writing
01/09/2016 is accurate.

Mistake???



Travis Parker
Timetabler
The Knox School

From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au>
[mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au
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I have read Mark's views on this
http://vceit.com/wp/correctness-versus-accuracy/

Don't think they helped :-)


I think they are essentially synonymous:
eg my phone number is 0477999111 is both accurate and correct.

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Ex Traralgon and Ashwood
Retired


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Hi all,

As part of the five characteristics of data integrity we have both accuracy and correctness; how do we differentiate the two of these?

Thanks

Ben Hines

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Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 11:17:21 +0000
From: "Matheson, Geoff J" <matheson.geoff.j at edumail.vic.gov.au>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Data Integrity: different between
	accuracy and correctness
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That?s how I?ve taught it. Accuracy as being related to precision ? whereas correctness being the simple right or wrong. But the opinions of the majority I?ve seen so far have me wondering whether I might need to re-teach. 

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    Hi all,
    I have spoken about accuracy in terms of precision.
    
    I could say I am about 1.8 metres tall. That is correct, but not accurate.
    I could say I am 1.564334 metres tall. That is accurate, but not correct.
    Each situation will require a different level of accuracy that is acceptable or expected.
    Can't think of a situation where accuracy is important but correctness not.
    
    Andrew Pate
    VCE Computing teacher
    Mentone Grammar
    
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    And I teach them that dates recorded in this format in a file-naming convention is both correct and accurate as the files self-sort by date.
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    Sorry I did mean the opposite! Big week.
    
    Try again??.
    I taught my kids that if you are asked for a date in DD/MM/YYY format in a program then whilst ?1st of September 2016? is accurate, writing
01/09/2016 is correct.
    
    
    
    Travis Parker
    Timetabler
    The Knox School
    
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    I'd say the opposite.
    
    I don't think this question is ever going to be answered until we have a plebiscite, a Royal Commission or at least a dance-off competition.
    
    Regards,
    Mark
    
    On 1 September 2016 at 14:17, Travis Parker <Travis.Parker at knox.vic.edu.au<mailto:Travis.Parker at knox.vic.edu.au>> wrote:
    I taught my kids that if you are asked for a date in DD/MM/YYY format in a program then whilst ?1st of September 2016? is technically correct, writing 01/09/2016 is accurate.
    
    Mistake???
    
    
    
    Travis Parker
    Timetabler
    The Knox School
    
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    I have read Mark's views on this
http://vceit.com/wp/correctness-versus-accuracy/
    
    Don't think they helped :-)
    
    
    I think they are essentially synonymous:
    eg my phone number is 0477999111 is both accurate and correct.
    
    Robert Hind
    Ex Traralgon and Ashwood
    Retired
    
    
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    Hi all,
    
    As part of the five characteristics of data integrity we have both accuracy and correctness; how do we differentiate the two of these?
    
    Thanks
    
    Ben Hines
    
    Ben Hines
    Mathematics and ICT Teacher
    Senior Campus
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