[Year 12 SofDev] Advice for teaching combined classes

Wed Nov 20 06:31:22 EST 2013

Thanks for your quick responses. Its always good to know I not the only
one in this situation. :)

I have taught SD twice in the past:

 * once combined with ITA - my kids mostly scored above average that year.
I had around 10 kids altogether and taught some bits separately, some
combined (I think it was the last year of the pervious study design and
there was quite a bit of overlap). Year 12s were fairly self-motivated and
could  work independently when necessary.

 * once combined with 12IT - not so successful. Approx 20 in the class.
Year 11s quite unproductive and disengaged unless I was working directly
with them. Made it hard for the SD kids to stay focussed. I found little
overlap between the two study designs.

In 2014 I will again have approx 20 in the class. Mostly Year 11s. My
concern is keeping them engaged AND working independently. I'd love to
have more kids get really excited about IT and programming so that it is
feasible to run a standalone SD class in 2015!!

This year I didn't use the NCIS challenge, but I did have my Year 11 class
using CodeAcademy to learn Python and they found that really engaging,
worked at their own pace, lots of homework too. We also have Google Apps
and I have trained the Year 11s to work more collaboratively, sharing
docs, emailing questions etc. I will probably also run an after-school
class for just the SD kids.

I would love to use lots of 'flipped' style resources but I won't get any
extra time allowance to create them my self!! Any suggestions of good
sources of podcasts / screencasts etc???? (I'm also year level coordinator
for 160 odd kids so all my time allowance at school is consumed by student
management!!!!)

Thank you all again for your support and ideas.

Kate
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>From: Andrew Shortell <shortell at get2me.net>
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>The only sane advice that I can think of is use a lot of podcasts, screen
>casts, videos
>Flipped classroom stuff
>
>We use google apps but the following can also be done with drop box and
>other cloud services :
>I use a lot of stuff which I store in my google drive which I share with
>students 
>There is one folder for 'info' stuff which they only. Have read access
>Another folder to which they can write where they share summaries, vocab
>lists, and other bits such as SRS communal projects etc
>They also have their own shared folder on their google drive which they
>share with me
>
>If you only have four or five of each then you can probably manage with
>sharing time between them and overlapping with things like PSM, h/w, sw,
>etc
>
>In sof dev my students use Adrian's book on the  iPad - a few purchased
>paper copy too.
>
>Vera - you have taught sof dev? But Kate, have you?
>If not it wi ll be very hard, else give up now? End if
>
>In term 3 get your unit 2 students to do NCSS as their programming
>component cause that gives you five weeks to focus n teh big sac in sof
>dev.
>
>Andrew
>
>
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>On 19/11/2013, at 7:57 PM, Vera Cook <vcook at mscw.vic.edu.au> wrote:
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>> Hi
>> 
>> I am doing the same
>> 
>> Vera
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 19/11/2013, at 7:46 PM, "Young, Katherine A"
>><young.katherine.a at edumail.vic.gov.au<mailto:young.katherine.a at edumail.vi
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>> Dear colleagues,
>> 
>> Just wondering of anyone has taught Unit 1&2 with Software Development
>>combined into 1 class? I would really appreciate any tips/advice that
>>will help me to accomplish this effectively next year. Seems like a big
>>ask to me, but asked (told) I am.
>> 
>> Many thanks,
>> 
>> Kate
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 09:52:12 +0000
>From: Kent Beveridge <kbeveridge at stbc.vic.edu.au>
>Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Advice for teaching combined classes
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>I got a different combo...SD & VET IDMT..looking like about 10-11 kids
>total combined class next year..still waiting for the official load
>though...
>Unit 1/2 is a non event for me here! Although the VET did have a 1/2
>strand this year. 2015?
>
>Kent Beveridge
>VET IDMT, IT, MATHS teacher.
>
>On 19 Nov 2013, at 8:47 pm, "Vera Cook"
><vcook at mscw.vic.edu.au<mailto:vcook at mscw.vic.edu.au>> wrote:
>
>Hi
>
>I am doing the same
>
>Vera
>
>Sent from my iPad
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>On 19/11/2013, at 7:46 PM, "Young, Katherine A"
><young.katherine.a at edumail.vic.gov.au<mailto:young.katherine.a at edumail.vic
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>
>Dear colleagues,
>
>Just wondering of anyone has taught Unit 1&2 with Software Development
>combined into 1 class? I would really appreciate any tips/advice that
>will help me to accomplish this effectively next year. Seems like a big
>ask to me, but asked (told) I am.
>
>Many thanks,
>
>Kate
>______________________________________________________________
>
><273EC67C-6A29-461B-87CF-FF58F8DD9CE8[7].png>Ms Katherine Young
>Acting Middle Years Engagement, Wellbeing & Transitions Leader
>Sunbury Downs College | Mitchell's Lane  | SUNBURY VIC 3429
>T: (+613) 9744 7366 | F: (+613) 9744 1604
>www.sunburydowns.vic.edu.au<http://www.sunburydowns.vic.edu.au><http://www
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>From: Kent Beveridge <kbeveridge at stbc.vic.edu.au>
>Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Advice for teaching combined classes
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>Sounds like an old chestnut again folks...dropping numbers!
>Why?   Could be a myriad of reasons..no simple single teaching solution
>as I see it.
>Our best bet is to hope we have keen and dedicated kids who are prepared
>to work hard.
>I guess we just do the best we can and help each other with resources
>where we are able to.
>I found youtube and wiki a great help. Google clearly is handy..no
>denying that one!
>Perhaps some of us will be at Swinny for the CS4HS sessions ....catchup
>then and bounce ideas?
>Cya there.
>Kent.
>
>Kent Beveridge
>VET IDMT, IT, MATHS teacher.
>
>On 19 Nov 2013, at 9:21 pm, "Andrew Shortell"
><shortell at get2me.net<mailto:shortell at get2me.net>> wrote:
>
>The only sane advice that I can think of is use a lot of podcasts, screen
>casts, videos
>Flipped classroom stuff
>
>We use google apps but the following can also be done with drop box and
>other cloud services :
>I use a lot of stuff which I store in my google drive which I share with
>students
>There is one folder for 'info' stuff which they only. Have read access
>Another folder to which they can write where they share summaries, vocab
>lists, and other bits such as SRS communal projects etc
>They also have their own shared folder on their google drive which they
>share with me
>
>If you only have four or five of each then you can probably manage with
>sharing time between them and overlapping with things like PSM, h/w, sw,
>etc
>
>In sof dev my students use Adrian's book on the  iPad - a few purchased
>paper copy too.
>
>Vera - you have taught sof dev? But Kate, have you?
>If not it wi ll be very hard, else give up now? End if
>
>In term 3 get your unit 2 students to do NCSS as their programming
>component cause that gives you five weeks to focus n teh big sac in sof
>dev.
>
>Andrew
>
>
>Andrew Shortell
>Educator
>CRC Melton
>
>shortell at get2me.net<mailto:shortell at get2me.net> (lists)
>andrew at get2me.net<mailto:andrew at get2me.net> (personal)
>@acsbear (twitter)
>Skype: acshortell
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>On 19/11/2013, at 7:57 PM, Vera Cook
><vcook at mscw.vic.edu.au<mailto:vcook at mscw.vic.edu.au>> wrote:
>
>Hi
>
>I am doing the same
>
>Vera
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>On 19/11/2013, at 7:46 PM, "Young, Katherine A"
><young.katherine.a at edumail.vic.gov.au<mailto:young.katherine.a at edumail.vic
>.gov.au><mailto:young.katherine.a at edumail.vic.gov.au>> wrote:
>
>Dear colleagues,
>
>Just wondering of anyone has taught Unit 1&2 with Software Development
>combined into 1 class? I would really appreciate any tips/advice that
>will help me to accomplish this effectively next year. Seems like a big
>ask to me, but asked (told) I am.
>
>Many thanks,
>
>Kate
>______________________________________________________________
>
><273EC67C-6A29-461B-87CF-FF58F8DD9CE8[7].png>Ms Katherine Young
>Acting Middle Years Engagement, Wellbeing & Transitions Leader
>Sunbury Downs College | Mitchell's Lane  | SUNBURY VIC 3429
>T: (+613) 9744 7366 | F: (+613) 9744 1604
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