[Year 12 SofDev] Re: sofdev Digest, Vol 43, Issue 12
Quentin Lydall
qly at beaconhills.vic.edu.au
Mon Sep 8 13:18:09 EST 2008
I agree with this thread of thought. The question does not neatly fit
the "facts". Perhaps the problem is the SDLC itself, which is a cut
down version of what actually happens. For example, the official VCAA
definition used to be that there were seven steps, now it's five, and
there is no mention of feasibility studies or the many steps that follow
evaluation at the end of the life cycle. If I were marking that
question I would allow both Design and Development. My original request
was for help in explaining this to my students, and thanks to you all, I
have received that!
Quentin Lydall
Head of ICT
Beaconhills College Valley Campus
30-34 Toomuc Valley Road,
Pakenham
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[mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Adrian Janson
Sent: Monday, 8 September 2008 12:39 PM
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Subject: RE: [Year 12 SofDev] Re: sofdev Digest, Vol 43, Issue 12
Well perhaps the fault is in the question - as I do not agree that
'design is design'. A sketch of what a UI might look like in a finished
development is quite different to a detailed UI design. The software
development cycle (which technically is a part of the development phase
of the SDLC) contains a design stage that is related specifically to the
design of the UI's for the software in question. The design phase of
the SDLC is a much more global information system wide design. I don't
believe that after analyzing an information system, the next step should
be UI design - I think that this comes much later.
Perhaps the question should have been more specific in terms of these
things. My 2c anyway - I feel that either answer would be easily
justified in an exam situation and if students were able to do so in the
manner that we have done, they would have more than demonstrated an
in-depth knowledge of the course. (Sometimes I find the 'mistakes' or
debatable questions to be the most stimulating for class discussion!
Let students take a side and debate their point of view.)
Cheers,
Adrian
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[mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Karen Webster
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Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] Re: sofdev Digest, Vol 43, Issue 12
Design is Design!
We were told at Uni some 5 years ago now that a design should be
detailed enough that if you were to have an accident someone else could
use your design and build whatever needs to be built.
In house terms a detailed plan is still a plan of what is to be.
Karen Webster
IT Teacher
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Actually on second thoughts I can see why Development is the suggested
answer. It is during the development phase that the software
development
itself takes place - and the Design phase is really about selecting
hardware, software and determining features of the system rather than
getting stuck into details such as UI's. The design phase might
determine
that a software package needs to be created and have certain
requirements -
and some designs might be created which represent what the UI should
ideally
look like. But it is a lot like a concept sketch of a new house versus
a
detailed plan of what each of the rooms will look like.
I change my vote!
Cheers,
Adrian
Adrian Janson,
VITTA President
Director of ICT,
Melbourne High School,
Forrest Hill, South Yarra 3141 Australia.
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On Behalf Of Adrian Janson
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Subject: RE: [Year 12 SofDev] Design of User Interface
Hi Quentin,
The key word would seem to be 'designing' so in this respect 'Design'
would
be the most correct response.
Cheers,
Adrian
Adrian Janson,
VITTA President
Director of ICT,
Melbourne High School,
Forrest Hill, South Yarra 3141 Australia.
Phone: 03 9826 0711 International: +61 3 9826 0711
Fax: 03 9826 8767 International: +61 3 9826 8767
E-mail: janson.adrian.a at edumail.vic.gov.au
Website: http://www.mhs.vic.edu.au
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On Behalf Of Quentin Lydall
Sent: Monday, 8 September 2008 11:02 AM
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Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] Design of User Interface
Hi All,
Question 2 of Section B of VITTA sample exam 3, 2007, (whew!) asks what
stage if the SDLC designing the user interface takes place. The
supplied
answer is Development. Can someone please help me explain to my
students
why it does not happen during the design stage?
Thanks!!
Quentin Lydall
Head of ICT
Beaconhills College Valley Campus
30-34 Toomuc Valley Road,
Pakenham
3810
Phone:(03) 5945 0016
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