[Year 12 SofDev] RE: sofdev Digest, Vol 37, Issue 18
Kelly Beattie
beattie.kelly.l at edumail.vic.gov.au
Thu Mar 6 12:33:31 EST 2008
VITTA will be looking to run PD on writing your own SACs in the very near
future. This was placed on the PD agenda last month.
Cheers
Kelly Beattie
Educational Leader
Curriculum/Leadings Schools Fund
Drouin Secondary College
South Road, Drouin 3818
Ph: (03) 5625 1002
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1. Re: Copyright / authorship / solutions / ?? (Mark Kelly)
2. Re: Why aren't teachers able to write their own material ?
(Mark Kelly)
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Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 12:04:53 +1100
From: Mark Kelly <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Copyright / authorship / solutions / ??
To: "Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List"
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Ah - dammit. Sorry, folks. I thought Fatima had emailed me directly
and I was replying only to her.
Please forgive the largeish attachment.
Mark
Mark Kelly wrote:
> Ah - I didn't notice you were chasing SD stuff... I assumed it was ITA.
> I don't know if there are SD QATs. Your best bet is to check the VITTA
> resources. There are SD SACs there.
>
> I will attach the U3 outcomes I used last year, which were approved by
> VCAA during their audit of my material.
>
>
> Fatima Nazar wrote:
>> Hello Mark,
>>
>> I have looked into QATs and even sent them an email (no reply as yet)
>> about SD - I am brand new to SD and would LOVE to even buy some SACs
>> with suggested solutions as I would then know what can be an excellent
>> answer :) so let me know if you have some up your sleeve please
>>
>> Regards
>> Fatima
>> (have 2 SD classes)
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Mark Kelly
>> Sent: Thu 3/6/2008 8:28 AM
>> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Copyright / authorship / solutions / ??
>>
>>
>>
>> Good points there, Adrian. I have a gut feeling that people feel rather
>> more intimidated writing SD outcomes than they do ITA. It's that much
>> more complex.
>>
>> In a similar vein, I've just finished writing a commercial practice SD
>> exam and it took much more thinking than the equivalent ITA exam.
>>
>> Adrian Janson wrote:
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is a potentially tricky issue - and as one who often posts his SAC
>>> and theory materials to the lists - one that I must confess is a bit of
>>> a concern.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Speaking personally, when I post my materials to the lists - I would
>>> like to think that those who are making use of them do so in the spirit
>>> in which they have been posted - giving credit where it is due and not
>>> altering things with a view to reposting them. I think the part of this
>>> that is the most worrying is that some material did find its way back to
>>> me which I had originally authored and posted to the lists - but with
>>> another teachers name on it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It may well just need to be the case that when we post materials to the
>>> lists, we need to state (in the document as well as in the attached
>>> email), that the materials are free to use but may not be adapted or
>>> changed in any way without the permission of the author.... As I put
>>> the
>>> finishing touches on my 2008 SAC1 - I may well do this before I post it
>>> to the list? I would be interested to know what others think of this?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On another note - something which has been bothering me a great deal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> After the review process took place last year and schools had the SACs
>>> and Assessments checked by VCAA - it became apparent that a large number
>>> of the sampled schools had used my SACs (more than half). Of the
>>> remaining schools, many had used the VITTA SACs. After posting the SACs
>>> to the lists, I had many requests for solutions which I tried to provide
>>> as best I could. I don't mind doing this - however, I think this seems
>>> to suggest that there are few SD teachers creating their own original
>>> materials and/or solutions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Now - I don't mind doing the work and posting it for everyone to use. I
>>> think doing this is especially valuable to those starting out with the
>>> SD course or with programming in general. However, if you are familiar
>>> with the SD course - I think that you could be doing your own students a
>>> disservice by not writing your own materials and solutions (and hence
>>> becoming more familiar with the assessment criteria and the structure of
>>> the course). In such a circumstance, I think it would be more
>>> appropriate for you to use my SAC materials (or any others that are
>>> posted) for practice SAC materials and / or inspiration for your own.
>>> There is no way I can prevent teachers from simply using my own (or
>>> others) work as a method of minimising their own workload - however, I
>>> would implore those engaging in this practice to think of the bigger
>>> picture.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Adrian Janson
>>>
>>> VITTA President
>>>
>>> Director of ICT, Melbourne High School
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au
>>> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Poultney,
>>> Gordon A
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 5 March 2008 12:13 PM
>>> *To:* Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
>>> *Subject:* RE: [Year 12 SofDev] RE: Ross from Sunbury College
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We are talking about a 2 page SAC here, not the latest from Neal
>>> Stephenson...
>>>
>>> Feel free to do what you want with Shagadelic - just don't put my name
>>> on it if you change it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you believe in copyright/credit , then Ross' simple attribution
>>> scheme looks good.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> gordon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------
>>>
>>> Gordon Poultney
>>>
>>> Horsham College
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Stephen Digby
>>> *Sent:* Wed 5/3/08 11:31
>>> *To:* 'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List'
>>> *Subject:* RE: [Year 12 SofDev] RE: Ross from Sunbury College
>>>
>>> What about a simpler attribution such as
>>>
>>> Freds Carpet House v6 "Based on SAC by Mark Kelly 2007. Alterations by
>>> Stephen Digby 2008, Gordon Poultney 2008"
>>>
>>> Just as the ridiculous copyright laws reduce the likelihood of
>>> attribution
>>> (less likely to get caught for copyright violation if you remove all
>>> info
>>> re. source).
>>>
>>> A overly complex attribution process may reduce the likelihood of
>>> sharing.
>>>
>>> As it is, most resources that I have are not able to be shared
>>> because of
>>> copyright (i.e. they are not mine to share)
>>>
>>> Lets develop a 'creative common' approach to as much materials as
>>> possible....
>>>
>>> ====================================================
>>> Stephen Digby, Learning Technology Manager
>>> mailto: digby.stephen.p at edumail.vic.gov.au
>>> Cheltenham Secondary College www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au
>>> Ph: 613 955 55 955 Fx: 9555 8617 Mb: 0431-701-028
>>> ====================================================
>>>
>>> I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat. Winston
>>> Churchill
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au
>>> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>>> On Behalf Of Mark Kelly
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2008 10:15 AM
>>> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List; Year 12 IT
>>> Applications Teachers' Mailing List; Year 11 Information Technology
>>> Teachers' Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] RE: Ross from Sunbury College
>>>
>>> (I've X-posted to the ITA and year 11 IT lists. Apols in advance.)
>>>
>>> I see an interesting and potentially worrying point developing here.
>>>
>>> If we adapt other people's tasks, I think we are obliged to retain the
>>> version information contained in the task and note ourselves as
>>> modifiers
>>> and let that info stay with the document in its further travels.
>>>
>>> I know I would be horrified if a task I created was later 'improved'
>>> by some
>>> anonymous person, thereby damaging it or (even worse) rendering it a
>>> violation of VCAA rules - with my name still proudly stuck on it as if I
>>> were solely responsible for its current condition!
>>>
>>> When we distribute 'adapted' tasks, I recommend that we:
>>>
>>> 1. Of course, retain the original author's identity and document version
>>> number, if they are in the document. Give the poor authors credit
>>> for their
>>> labours!
>>>
>>> 2. Add yourself to the credits as a 'modifier'.
>>>
>>> 3. Maybe even summarise your changes (and reasons?) in an addendum at
>>> the
>>> end of the document. This addendum can be removed for printing
>>> purposes by
>>> people who use it later, but it otherwise travels with the document
>>> as it
>>> morphs through the ether.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> Poultney, Gordon A wrote:
>>>> i made up the original 'Shagadelic' which sounds like it has morphed
>>> into something else. There is only 1 network diagram in the original
>>> - for
>>> the new system .there is/was a marking scheme and complete network
>>> diagram
>>> for the teacher too.
>>>> cheers Gordon
>>>>
>>>> ----------------
>>>> Gordon Poultney
>>>> Horsham College
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>>
>>>> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Maggie Iaquinto
>>>> Sent: Wed 5/3/08 9:14
>>>> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
>>>> Subject: RE: [Year 12 SofDev] RE: Ross from Sunbury College
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ross
>>>>
>>>> Ross
>>>>
>>>> If you were using this practice SAC as the actual one, it would be
>>>> difficult to separate the marks for Task 1 (systems analysis and
>>>> design
>>>> - mistakenly called Task 2 here) from Task 2 (network diagram). You
>>>> are required to report the marks for the tasks clearly and discretely.
>>>>
>>>> Task 1 is 40 marks and Task 2 is 10 marks -- based on 50 for the
>>>> Outcome.
>>>> In the assessment sheet nearly 25 marks of the 50 are devoted to the
>>>> network diagram. This makes it tough to report accurately to VCAA just
>>>> what your students have received, in terms of the balance of 40/10.
>>>>
>>>> Task 2 (network diagram) must be for the proposed new system and this
>>>> document requires the student to diagram the current and the new.
>>>> Sure, you can do that but it isn't necessary.
>>>>
>>>> I notice also that there are marks given to presentation of the
>>>> report.
>>>> IMHO I would put those marks into a more finely-grained assessment of
>>>> all the other Key Skills required in this Outcome.
>>>>
>>>> Just an opinion.
>>>>
>>>> Maggie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au
>>>> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Mark Kelly
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2008 8:36 AM
>>>> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] RE: Ross from Sunbury College
>>>>
>>>> If the task extended across the holidays, make sure the remaining part
>>>> is not given to them beforehand so they can't pre-produce stuff.
>>>>
>>>> Claudia Graham wrote:
>>>>> Hi Ross,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Re the practice SAC not sure who's that is so can't help there
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding the use of the internet not something I have done or would
>>>> do,
>>>>> for me it would be too hard to 'patrol'. But as long as all students
>>>>> have the same conditions it doesn't matter (mind you I don't have a
>>>>> study design or assessment hand book beside me to check re
>>>>> conditions)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Same for the time frame, I assume you mean a lesson or two prior to
>>>> the
>>>>> holidays and then some after (or similar), not something I would do
>>>> just
>>>>> for authentication purposes. I would do it all in a few lessons; I
>>>> don't
>>>>> even like weekends between assessment lessons if I can help it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Claudia Graham
>>>>>
>>>>> Overnewton College
>>>>>
>>>>> Keilor
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> --
>>>>> *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au
>>>>> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Ogilvie, Ross
>>>>> A
>>>>> *Sent:* 4 March 2008 7:50 PM
>>>>> *To:* sofdev at edulists.com.au
>>>>> *Subject:* Ross from Sunbury College
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In regard to SD I have a couple of questions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. I have given my class a **Practice SAC** called **Shagadelic
>>>>> Carpets** (refer to attachment) (hope the author is OK with this).
>>>>> My
>>>>> question is....does anyone have the solutions so I can check if I am
>>>> on
>>>>> the right track.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. When I give my students the actual SAC:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> i. Can/should they access the internet.
>>>>>
>>>>> ii. Would there be a problem (in Vic) if the SAC extended through
>>>> the
>>>>> Term One holiday period into Term Two.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kindest Regards
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **Ross Ogilvie **
>>>>>
>>>>> **LSF ICT Leader **
>>>>>
>>>>> **Sunbury**** College**
>>>>>
>>>>> **30 Racecourse Rd****, Sunbury 3429**
>>>>>
>>>>> **Ph (W) 9744 1066 **
>>>>>
>>>>> ** (H) 54272843**
>>>>>
>>>>> **Bookmarks: http://del.icio.us/Ross1956**
>>>>>
>>>>> **Wiki: http://ross1956.wikispaces.com/**
>>>>> --
>>>>> Mark Kelly
>>>> --
>>>> Mark Kelly
>>> --
>>> Mark Kelly
>>
>> --
>> Mark Kelly
>> Manager - Information Systems
>> McKinnon Secondary College
>> McKinnon Rd McKinnon 3204, Victoria, Australia
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>>
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>> You'll know when we are officially a civilised race: our schools have
>> all the money they need and the Air Force has to run a chook raffle to
>> buy a new bomber.
>>
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 12:11:57 +1100
From: Mark Kelly <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Why aren't teachers able to write their
own material ?
To: "Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List"
<sofdev at edulists.com.au>
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Perhaps VITTA could sponsor/produce a "Beginner's guide to writing and
assessing ITA/SD outcomes" PD or publication.
I can do a talk on it at the VITTA convention, but that's a way off.
Kevork Krozian wrote:
> Hi Adrian and Mark,
>
> Very good points but more broadly a symptom of a wider problem we
> keep avoiding.
> If teachers are not confident about assessing a topic ( to say nothing
> about teaching it effectively ) then we need to address this issue.
> I know we are all overworked but if we are teaching a class we need to
> be fair to the students and ourselves.
>
> In reality if you are not an active network manager or Cisco
> instructor, you would struggle to understand networks and maybe not know
> a bus network even if you were run over by one.
>
> I know VITTA and the VCAA almost do miracles ( not least in their
> active and meaningful support of Edulists and PD ) but why are teachers
> unable to write their own SACs with confidence and conviction and with
> solutions they can show others ?
>
> I would say because the training and the need for new and current
> training has not kept up with the demands of the course(s). What do we
> do about this ?
>
> I think we need to stop patching these problems with band aids and
> need to go up the tree (DEECD, the new Rudd govt. initiative or wherever
> else we need to go) where there is decent and proper funding to deliver
> updated courses and training rather than doing it on the cheap.
>
> I don't want to drag down decent hardworking teachers doing the best
> they can with what little they have - I want to lift them .
>
>
> Just my thoughts
>
>
> Kevork
>
>
>>>> Mark Kelly <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au> 6/03/2008 8:28 am >>>
> Good points there, Adrian. I have a gut feeling that people feel rather
>
> more intimidated writing SD outcomes than they do ITA. It's that much
>
> more complex.
>
> In a similar vein, I've just finished writing a commercial practice SD
>
> exam and it took much more thinking than the equivalent ITA exam.
>
> Adrian Janson wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>>
>>
>> This is a potentially tricky issue - and as one who often posts his
> SAC
>> and theory materials to the lists - one that I must confess is a bit
> of
>> a concern.
>>
>>
>>
>> Speaking personally, when I post my materials to the lists - I would
>
>> like to think that those who are making use of them do so in the
> spirit
>> in which they have been posted - giving credit where it is due and
> not
>> altering things with a view to reposting them. I think the part of
> this
>> that is the most worrying is that some material did find its way back
> to
>> me which I had originally authored and posted to the lists - but with
>
>> another teachers name on it.
>>
>>
>>
>> It may well just need to be the case that when we post materials to
> the
>> lists, we need to state (in the document as well as in the attached
>> email), that the materials are free to use but may not be adapted or
>
>> changed in any way without the permission of the author*. As I put
> the
>> finishing touches on my 2008 SAC1 - I may well do this before I post
> it
>> to the list? I would be interested to know what others think of
> this?
>>
>>
>> On another note - something which has been bothering me a great
> deal.
>>
>>
>> After the review process took place last year and schools had the
> SACs
>> and Assessments checked by VCAA - it became apparent that a large
> number
>> of the sampled schools had used my SACs (more than half). Of the
>> remaining schools, many had used the VITTA SACs. After posting the
> SACs
>> to the lists, I had many requests for solutions which I tried to
> provide
>> as best I could. I don*t mind doing this - however, I think this
> seems
>> to suggest that there are few SD teachers creating their own original
>
>> materials and/or solutions.
>>
>>
>>
>> Now - I don*t mind doing the work and posting it for everyone to
> use. I
>> think doing this is especially valuable to those starting out with
> the
>> SD course or with programming in general. However, if you are
> familiar
>> with the SD course - I think that you could be doing your own
> students a
>> disservice by not writing your own materials and solutions (and hence
>
>> becoming more familiar with the assessment criteria and the structure
> of
>> the course). In such a circumstance, I think it would be more
>> appropriate for you to use my SAC materials (or any others that are
>> posted) for practice SAC materials and / or inspiration for your own.
>
>> There is no way I can prevent teachers from simply using my own (or
>> others) work as a method of minimising their own workload - however,
> I
>> would implore those engaging in this practice to think of the bigger
>
>> picture.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Adrian Janson
>>
>> VITTA President
>>
>> Director of ICT, Melbourne High School
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au
>> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Poultney,
> Gordon A
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 5 March 2008 12:13 PM
>> *To:* Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
>> *Subject:* RE: [Year 12 SofDev] RE: Ross from Sunbury College
>>
>>
>>
>> We are talking about a 2 page SAC here, not the latest from Neal
>> Stephenson...
>>
>> Feel free to do what you want with Shagadelic - just don't put my
> name
>> on it if you change it.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you believe in copyright/credit , then Ross' simple attribution
>> scheme looks good.
>>
>>
>>
>> gordon
>>
>>
>>
>> ----------------
>>
>> Gordon Poultney
>>
>> Horsham College
>>
>>
>>
>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Stephen Digby
>> *Sent:* Wed 5/3/08 11:31
>> *To:* 'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List'
>> *Subject:* RE: [Year 12 SofDev] RE: Ross from Sunbury College
>>
>> What about a simpler attribution such as
>>
>> Freds Carpet House v6 "Based on SAC by Mark Kelly 2007. Alterations
> by
>> Stephen Digby 2008, Gordon Poultney 2008"
>>
>> Just as the ridiculous copyright laws reduce the likelihood of
> attribution
>> (less likely to get caught for copyright violation if you remove all
> info
>> re. source).
>>
>> A overly complex attribution process may reduce the likelihood of
> sharing.
>> As it is, most resources that I have are not able to be shared
> because of
>> copyright (i.e. they are not mine to share)
>>
>> Lets develop a 'creative common' approach to as much materials as
>> possible....
>>
>> ====================================================
>> Stephen Digby, Learning Technology Manager
>> mailto: digby.stephen.p at edumail.vic.gov.au
>> Cheltenham Secondary College www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au
>> Ph: 613 955 55 955 Fx: 9555 8617 Mb: 0431-701-028
>> ====================================================
>>
>> I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat. Winston
>> Churchill
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au
> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>> On Behalf Of Mark Kelly
>> Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2008 10:15 AM
>> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List; Year 12 IT
>> Applications Teachers' Mailing List; Year 11 Information Technology
>> Teachers' Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] RE: Ross from Sunbury College
>>
>> (I've X-posted to the ITA and year 11 IT lists. Apols in advance.)
>>
>> I see an interesting and potentially worrying point developing here.
>>
>> If we adapt other people's tasks, I think we are obliged to retain
> the
>> version information contained in the task and note ourselves as
> modifiers
>> and let that info stay with the document in its further travels.
>>
>> I know I would be horrified if a task I created was later 'improved'
> by some
>> anonymous person, thereby damaging it or (even worse) rendering it a
>> violation of VCAA rules - with my name still proudly stuck on it as
> if I
>> were solely responsible for its current condition!
>>
>> When we distribute 'adapted' tasks, I recommend that we:
>>
>> 1. Of course, retain the original author's identity and document
> version
>> number, if they are in the document. Give the poor authors credit
> for their
>> labours!
>>
>> 2. Add yourself to the credits as a 'modifier'.
>>
>> 3. Maybe even summarise your changes (and reasons?) in an addendum at
> the
>> end of the document. This addendum can be removed for printing
> purposes by
>> people who use it later, but it otherwise travels with the document
> as it
>> morphs through the ether.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> Poultney, Gordon A wrote:
>>> i made up the original 'Shagadelic' which sounds like it has
> morphed
>> into something else. There is only 1 network diagram in the original
> - for
>> the new system .there is/was a marking scheme and complete network
> diagram
>> for the teacher too.
>>> cheers Gordon
>>>
>>> ----------------
>>> Gordon Poultney
>>> Horsham College
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Maggie Iaquinto
>>> Sent: Wed 5/3/08 9:14
>>> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
>>> Subject: RE: [Year 12 SofDev] RE: Ross from Sunbury College
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ross
>>>
>>> Ross
>>>
>>> If you were using this practice SAC as the actual one, it would be
>>> difficult to separate the marks for Task 1 (systems analysis and
>>> design
>>> - mistakenly called Task 2 here) from Task 2 (network diagram).
> You
>>> are required to report the marks for the tasks clearly and
> discretely.
>>> Task 1 is 40 marks and Task 2 is 10 marks -- based on 50 for the
>>> Outcome.
>>> In the assessment sheet nearly 25 marks of the 50 are devoted to
> the
>>> network diagram. This makes it tough to report accurately to VCAA
> just
>>> what your students have received, in terms of the balance of
> 40/10.
>>> Task 2 (network diagram) must be for the proposed new system and
> this
>>> document requires the student to diagram the current and the new.
>>> Sure, you can do that but it isn't necessary.
>>>
>>> I notice also that there are marks given to presentation of the
> report.
>>> IMHO I would put those marks into a more finely-grained assessment
> of
>>> all the other Key Skills required in this Outcome.
>>>
>>> Just an opinion.
>>>
>>> Maggie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au
>>> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Mark Kelly
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2008 8:36 AM
>>> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] RE: Ross from Sunbury College
>>>
>>> If the task extended across the holidays, make sure the remaining
> part
>>> is not given to them beforehand so they can't pre-produce stuff.
>>>
>>> Claudia Graham wrote:
>>>> Hi Ross,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Re the practice SAC not sure who's that is so can't help there
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regarding the use of the internet not something I have done or
> would
>>> do,
>>>> for me it would be too hard to 'patrol'. But as long as all
> students
>>>> have the same conditions it doesn't matter (mind you I don't have
> a
>>>> study design or assessment hand book beside me to check re
>>>> conditions)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Same for the time frame, I assume you mean a lesson or two prior
> to
>>> the
>>>> holidays and then some after (or similar), not something I would
> do
>>> just
>>>> for authentication purposes. I would do it all in a few lessons;
> I
>>> don't
>>>> even like weekends between assessment lessons if I can help it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Claudia Graham
>>>>
>>>> Overnewton College
>>>>
>>>> Keilor
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> --
>>>> *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au
>>>> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Ogilvie,
> Ross
>>>> A
>>>> *Sent:* 4 March 2008 7:50 PM
>>>> *To:* sofdev at edulists.com.au
>>>> *Subject:* Ross from Sunbury College
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In regard to SD I have a couple of questions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. I have given my class a **Practice SAC** called **Shagadelic
>>>> Carpets** (refer to attachment) (hope the author is OK with
> this).
>>>> My
>>>> question is....does anyone have the solutions so I can check if I
> am
>>> on
>>>> the right track.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2. When I give my students the actual SAC:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i. Can/should they access the internet.
>>>>
>>>> ii. Would there be a problem (in Vic) if the SAC extended
> through
>>> the
>>>> Term One holiday period into Term Two.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kindest Regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **Ross Ogilvie **
>>>>
>>>> **LSF ICT Leader **
>>>>
>>>> **Sunbury**** College**
>>>>
>>>> **30 Racecourse Rd****, Sunbury 3429**
>>>>
>>>> **Ph (W) 9744 1066 **
>>>>
>>>> ** (H) 54272843**
>>>>
>>>> **Bookmarks: http://del.icio.us/Ross1956**
>>>>
>>>> **Wiki: http://ross1956.wikispaces.com/**
>>>> --
>>>> Mark Kelly
>>> --
>>> Mark Kelly
>> --
>> Mark Kelly
>
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