[Year 12 SofDev] RE: SAC 1
Mark Kelly
kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au
Fri Feb 8 14:24:55 EST 2008
Yes, very true. Also remember that in the end you are responsible for
the tasks you give your students, whether you wrote, bought, or adopted
them.
You should always check any task against the study design and assessment
advice to make sure you don't get embarrassing calls from the VCAA :-)
Kelly Beattie wrote:
> I think that people sometimes forget that you can actually write your own
> SAC. By using the assessment advice and the study design you have all of the
> resources necessary to develop your own Assessment materials.
>
> By all means use the SACs that are floating around for practice, but it is
> 100% worth the effort to develop your own SACs. I can say this because I've
> done it.
>
> Good luck to those who are willing to give it a go!
>
> Kelly Beattie
> Leading Schools Fund Coordinator
> Moondah Centre
> Drouin Secondary College
> South Road, Drouin 3818
> Ph: (03) 5625 1002
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> 1. RE: SAC1 (Adrian Janson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:48:42 +1100
> From: "Adrian Janson" <janson.adrian.a at edumail.vic.gov.au>
> Subject: RE: [Year 12 SofDev] SAC1
> To: "'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List'"
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> ...
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>
>
>
> Having thought about this a little bit more (after pressing 'send').
>
>
>
> Personally, I don't think you should use the solutions at all.
>
>
>
> We all know the course material - I feel that the best way for anyone using
> someone else SAC to proceed is to write their own solutions that are
> relevant to the skills levels and material covered in their own classes.
> Also, by doing so, it is easier to come to grips with the pitfalls and
> complications within the SAC.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Adrian
>
>
>
> Adrian Janson,
>
> VITTA President
>
> Director of ICT,
>
> Melbourne High School,
>
> Forrest Hill, South Yarra 3141 Australia.
>
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> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> On Behalf Of andrew barry
> Sent: Friday, 8 February 2008 12:34 PM
> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] SAC1
>
>
>
> The u302 module solution is far more detailed than the description on the
> sac. The soln has an imported XML file instead of a text file and a detailed
> GUI. Is the solution just a excellent example for top marks as it seems
> overkill?
>
> On 2/8/08, Adrian Janson <janson.adrian.a at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:
>
> Hi Andrew,
>
>
>
> The link to the materials that you are looking for are here:
>
> http://www.vitta.org.au/resources/list.php?folder_id=166
> <http://www.vitta.org.au/resources/list.php?folder_id=166&order=name%20ASC>
> &order=name%20ASC
>
>
>
> They are stored on the VITTA web-site in the resources section. If you
> cannot access this area, then you are not a VITTA member - so then I would
> encourage you to sign up as soon as possible! The benefits of being a
> member are numerous - the most obvious one being that you will have access
> to a large number of resources written by VITTA members stored in the
> resource section.
>
>
>
> All the best!
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Adrian
>
>
>
> Adrian Janson,
>
> VITTA President
>
> Director of ICT,
>
> Melbourne High School,
>
> Forrest Hill, South Yarra 3141 Australia.
>
> Phone: 03 9826 0711 International: +61 3 9826 0711
>
> Fax: 03 9826 8767 International: +61 3 9826 8767
>
> E-mail: janson.adrian.a at edumail.vic.gov.au
>
> Website: http://www.mhs.vic.edu.au <http://www.mhs.vic.edu.au/>
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> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> On Behalf Of andrew barry
> Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 8:45 AM
> To: sofdev at edulists.com.au
> Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] SAC1
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I am still after SAC1 and 2 for software development. I emailed VITTA but I
> wonder what people here are using. I have last years SAC1 for network design
> but no answer sheet.
>
>
>
>
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>
>
>
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> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 13:34:59 +1100
> From: "andrew barry" <jagguy999 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] SAC1
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> Hi,
>
> I dont have a problem with the solution as i understand it. Some of my guys
> have just started VB.net and I dont believe the can reproduce that level of
> response in 10-13 weeks. They could do the SAC as it is written by the time
> they do the sac but not the solution to that level of detail.
>
> Also I cant view the .VSD file as i cant download MS visio viewer as the
> download is corrupt 2003,2007 ver.
> Has anyone got the DFD diagram for this?
>
>
> Are there any other SACs around as i like to have a choice or do i just
> modify what i have?
>
>
>
>
> On 2/8/08, Adrian Janson <janson.adrian.a at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:
>> Andrew,
>>
>>
>>
>> This really highlights a difficulty for me in providing solutions to SACs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I do like to post my SACs to the edulists and each year I receive requests
>> for solutions. Ultimately, 'solutions' are going to be based on what
> level
>> of expectation you place on the students in your class. The important
> thing
>> is that you grade each SAC in a uniform way and you (and your class) have
> a
>> clear understanding of what is expected.
>>
>>
>>
>> The SAC solution which you are referring to is essentially an amalgam of a
>> number of high level responses received from students in my class. If you
>> gave this SAC to your class would you be expecting them to produce an
> XML
>> file solution in order to achieve full marks? Absolutely not. You should
>> use whatever software you have selected and require students to reproduce
>> the skills which you are teaching them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Adrian
>>
>>
>>
>> *Adrian Janson, *
>>
>> *VITTA President*
>>
>> *Director of ICT, *
>>
>> Melbourne High School,
>>
>> Forrest Hill, South Yarra 3141 Australia.
>>
>> Phone: 03 9826 0711 International: +61 3 9826 0711
>>
>> Fax: 03 9826 8767 International: +61 3 9826 8767
>>
>> E-mail: janson.adrian.a at edumail.vic.gov.au
>>
>> Website: http://www.mhs.vic.edu.au
>>
>> Blog: http://jansona.edublogs.org
>>
>>
>>
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>> loss, damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the
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>> and Early Childhood Development.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
>> sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *andrew barry
>> *Sent:* Friday, 8 February 2008 12:34 PM
>> *To:* Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
>> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 SofDev] SAC1
>>
>>
>>
>> The u302 module solution is far more detailed than the description on the
>> sac. The soln has an imported XML file instead of a text file and a
> detailed
>> GUI. Is the solution just a excellent example for top marks as it seems
>> overkill?
>>
>> On 2/8/08, *Adrian Janson* <janson.adrian.a at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Andrew,
>>
>>
>>
>> The link to the materials that you are looking for are here:
>>
>> http://www.vitta.org.au/resources/list.php?folder_id=166&order=name%20ASC
>>
>>
>>
>> They are stored on the VITTA web-site in the resources section. If you
>> cannot access this area, then you are not a VITTA member so then I would
>> encourage you to sign up as soon as possible! The benefits of being a
>> member are numerous the most obvious one being that you will have access
>> to a large number of resources written by VITTA members stored in the
>> resource section.
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best!
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Adrian
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am still after SAC1 and 2 for software development. I emailed VITTA but
>> I wonder what people here are using. I have last years SAC1 for network
>> design but no answer sheet.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Any help is appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> http://www.edulists.com.au IT Software Development Mailing List kindly
>> supported by
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> Curriculum and Assessment Authority and
>> http://www.vitta.org.au - VITTA Victorian Information Technology Teachers
>> Association Inc
>>
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> Childhood
>> Development.
>>
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>> Victorian Curriculum and Assessment Authority and
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>> Association Inc
>>
>>
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> Childhood
>> Development.
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