[Year 12 SofDev] Internet Costs at School

Mon Aug 27 14:25:22 EST 2007

I think the term is "price fixing" 

Fiona Mackenzie
Leongatha SC

>>> Adam Barbary <home at adambarbary.com> 08/25/07 9:05 AM >>>
I think the real question is why do schools have to pay for inflated
"approved" Internet access which is above market rates? 

Adam Barbary
Viewbank College

On Sat, 2007-08-25 at 08:50 +1000, Stephen Digby wrote:

> What !!!!!
> Kevork, how come you are allowed to get internet access at public prices when the rest of us have to pay for one of the exorbitant
> "approved" provider deals ????
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Kevork Krozian
> Sent: Friday, 24 August 2007 3:49 PM
> To: 'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Internet Costs at School
> 
> Hi Neil,
> 
>  We have an Optus cable account ( not sure if they are still available to schools ...we were a trial school back in 1995 ) at 20 GB
> peak ( 12 noon to 12 midnight ) and 24 GB off peak ( 12 midnight to 12 noon) at $330 per month  < $4K per year. That works out at
> 0.75 c per MB. 
> 
>  Students get 100 MB per month each and occasionally are topped up. There is no cost recovery imposed on the students with internet
> access. 
> 
>  We give $20 print credit per semester which does require an actual payment to top up if breached.
> 
> Regards
> Kevork
> 
> >>> "Neil Wallace" <neil at norwood.vic.edu.au> 24/08/2007 2:48 pm >>>
> Our costs have gone nuts this month too - again, anonymous proxies.
> 
> Russell - who is your provider, and what do they charge you per meg?  We are with SINA and the schools cops 9c per meg traffic
> charge. I budget about $15000 traffic charge per year, and often exceed this (1500 per month, exc January, most of holidays and a
> lot of December).
> 
> We use ShapeShifter on a Novell BorderManager to throttle our port 80 bandwidth but still get excessive charges through peer to peer
> and streams that are not properly disconnected.  Our ISP does the accounting and I am not convinced that their accounting is
> accurate.
> 
> Can anyone else share their costs management strategy, and perhaps the way they charge students?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Neil Wallace
> Norwood Secondary College
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> On Behalf Of Russell Curr
> Sent: Friday, 24 August 2007 2:12 PM
> To: sofdev at edulists.com.au
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] proxy servers
> 
> James
> 
> we use a combination of tools:
> 
> Papercut to control web access - works very well and we give all students 25 meg per week.
> Squid to block access to a list of sites SARG to randomly check who is using the latest proxy unblocker sites
> 
> If students do manage to bypass Squid via  proxy unblocker, then they can only access up to their credit limit anyway.
> 
> cheers
> Russell
> 
> 
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> Russell Curr
> Network Manager
> Avila College
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> email: russell at avila.vic.edu.au
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> >>> jgy at sthelena.vic.edu.au 08/24/07 10:14 am >>>
> Hi all,
>  
> sorry for the cross posts. 
> Firstly, thanks to all the people who replied to my query last week about Value Adding through VB programming, it was most helpful. 
> I have another problem and would appreciate any advice. lately, we have had a spate of students using proxy servers to bypass the
> school's internet restrictions. Word is spreading that this can be done amongst the students and it has proved impossible to block
> all sites that provide proxy access. 
>  
> At the moment we cancel internet access to those students we catch but we only catch them by fluke and we don't want to end up
> banning large number of students from the internet but if we let the students know these sites exist it will advertise the fact and
> more will use them.
>  
> Has your school had these problems and does anyone have some advice on what to do?
>  
> Thanking you in advance
>  
> James Gibney
> ICT Coordinator
> St Helena Secondary College
> Wallowa Rd
> Eltham Nth 3095
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> Fax 03 94388555
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