[Year 12 IT Apps] VCEIT.com - IT or Computing?

Mon Jun 22 14:04:01 AEST 2015

Hi Michael. Thanks for the suggestion about the domain name.

I did think of it, but some clever chap (who may be on this list) has
already registered and parked vcecomputing.com.

But...

I expect that a name like vceit.com will be able to survive as-is.
My theory is that after a while, once established, even an arbitrary or
outmoded name can persist.

After all - who would think that "Google" is a search engine, "Dreamweaver"
is a web editor, or "Facebook" is a social site?

And why do young people casually accept the 3.5" floppy disk as a symbol
for saving a file when none of them has ever used one?

And why do we still "hang up" the phone 100 years after the microphone and
earpiece were in separate parts?

"Normal" is just what you grew up with.
The semiotics are arbitrary and largely irrelevant.

And "vceit.com" is shorter than "vcecomputing.com". Shorter domain names
are more valuable, and easier to type.

One does not change domain names lightly - domain names gain a lot of SEO
value from their longevity.

Hmmm. I've just realised that the IT Lecture Notes site began when your
current ITA cohort was about 3 years old... shudder.

And on the subject of names...

1. I think kids will still be calling it "IT" for years to come. 2
syllables instead of the 3 in "computing".

2. "Informatics" is even worse at 4 syllables (which - BTW - no-one
understands). Paula doesn't like me calling Informatics "ITI" (IT
Informatics) but I do it anyway in informal gatherings, like barbecues and
funerals. At least parents then know it's a subject that has *something* to
do with IT.

You guys will soon be preparing your 2016 VCE Information Night materials.

Good luck explaining "Informatics" two hundred times.  hehehe

Cheers
Mark

On 22 June 2015 at 13:16, Poke, Michael C <poke.michael.c at edumail.vic.gov.au
> wrote:

>  Hi all,
> My question is addressed to Mark Kelly, but anyone else is obviously free
> to reply. Perhaps it’s just my OCD tendencies, but is the term “IT” being
> completely wiped from the new VCE course?  After all, it is now
> “Computing”.  So to be completely consistent and logical, shouldn’t you
> rebrand your (amazing!!!) website, * vcecomputing.com
> <http://vcecomputing.com> *and ditch * vceit.com <http://vceit.com>*? I’m
> sure there’s issues with domain names, etc, but I’m thinking that students
> over the next few years will get used to the course being called
> “Computing”. Even AusVELS calls all things Computing “ICT”.
>
>  I’m interested in your take on this.
>
>  Cheers,
> Michael Poke
>
>  [Insert pithy "Mark Kelly-esque" quote here]
>
>
>
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> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 10:19:02 +0000
> From: "Poke, Michael C" <poke.michael.c at edumail.vic.gov.au>
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] itapps Digest, Vol 124, Issue 43
> To: "<itapps at edulists.com.au>" <itapps at edulists.com.au>
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> Nice website, Mark. Hats off to you sir. Now all it needs is a mobile web
> app icon and it will hold a permanent place on my iPhone's home screen.
>
> Cheers,
> Michael (in anticipation)
>
> [Insert pithy "Mark Kelly-esque" quote here]
>
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 04:18:15 +0000
> From: "Robinson, Jarrod J" <robinson.jarrod.j at edumail.vic.gov.au>
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] VCE IT password??
> To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List"
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> Awesome move to WP Mark. Nothing better.
>
> Yell out if you want plugin selections or anything WP related, including
> access to my developers and designers
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 21 Jun 2015, at 1:23 pm, Mark <mark at vceit.com<mailto:mark at vceit.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Hi all.
>
> A charmingly-incompetent help desk operative at my web host screwed up a
> relatively-simple support request.
> In the end I helped the help desk and fixed it myself.
>
> I apologise for the downtime, but it was liver-warming to see that people
> still see value in the creaking, old, encrusted domain.
>
> I didn't notice that outage because I am currently scraping barnacles off
> my HTML and working on populating a new, slim, shiny, sexy, hydromatic,
> informatic site for the new study design at http://vceit.com/wp.
>
> Luckily for you guys, Wordpress takes a lot of design choice off my
> shoulders  :-)
> The only drawback is the lack of a <BLINK> tag, but I hope to find a
> suitable plugin soon...
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 21 June 2015 at 10:00, Fox, Richard R <fox.richard.r at edumail.vic.gov.au
> <mailto:fox.richard.r at edumail.vic.gov.au>> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> That's not normal, something must be wrong with the site. We'll have to
> wait on Mark to sort that one out.
>
> Richard
> --
> Richard Fox
> Teacher of IT and Science
> Learning Technologies and ICT Infrastructure
> Diamond Valley College
> 9438 1411
> ________________________________
> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au>
> [itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au>]
> on behalf of Adem Sahingoz [asahingoz at minaret.vic.edu.au<mailto:
> asahingoz at minaret.vic.edu.au>]
> Sent: Sunday, 21 June 2015 9:48 AM
> To: itapps at edulists.com.au<mailto:itapps at edulists.com.au>
> Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] VCE IT password??
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I've just tried accessing vceit.com<http://vceit.com> and it's asking for
> a username and password. Any idea how I may be able to obtain them?
>
> Kind Regards,
> Adem Sahingoz
>
> Minaret College
> 1 Birch Street
> Springvale
> Victoria 3171
>
> Ph: 95740567
> Fax: 95484755
>
>
> --
>
>  Witty sig goes HERE <<
>
>
> Mark Kelly
> [
> https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B4DRNqu3Y8sZV04xVUpCaVJTbHc&revid=0B4DRNqu3Y8sZaG9iYzlkRTE2YkVkS2x0Mk4vM1Fja3BYdFYwPQ
> ]
> http://vceit.com
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> From: Laurie Savage <08327998 at pvgc.vic.edu.au>
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] VCE IT password??
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> Who needs <BLINK> when they can have <MARQUEE>?
>
> Laurie
>
> Laurie Savage
> https://sites.google.com/a/pvgc.vic.edu.au/mr-savage/home
>
> On 21 June 2015 at 14:18, Robinson, Jarrod J <
> robinson.jarrod.j at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:
>
> Awesome move to WP Mark. Nothing better.
>
> Yell out if you want plugin selections or anything WP related, including
> access to my developers and designers
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 21 Jun 2015, at 1:23 pm, Mark <mark at vceit.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all.
>
> A charmingly-incompetent help desk operative at my web host screwed up a
> relatively-simple support request.
> In the end I helped the help desk and fixed it myself.
>
> I apologise for the downtime, but it was liver-warming to see that
> people still see value in the creaking, old, encrusted domain.
>
> I didn't notice that outage because I am currently scraping barnacles
> off my HTML and working on populating a new, slim, shiny, sexy, hydromatic,
> informatic site for the new study design at http://vceit.com/wp.
>
> Luckily for you guys, Wordpress takes a lot of design choice off my
> shoulders  :-)
> The only drawback is the lack of a <BLINK> tag, but I hope to find a
> suitable plugin soon...
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 21 June 2015 at 10:00, Fox, Richard R <
> fox.richard.r at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> That's not normal, something must be wrong with the site. We'll have to
> wait on Mark to sort that one out.
>
> Richard
> --
> Richard Fox
> Teacher of IT and Science
> Learning Technologies and ICT Infrastructure
> Diamond Valley College
> 9438 1411
> ------------------------------
> *From:* itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> on behalf of Adem Sahingoz [asahingoz at minaret.vic.edu.au]
> *Sent:* Sunday, 21 June 2015 9:48 AM
> *To:* itapps at edulists.com.au
> *Subject:* [Year 12 IT Apps] VCE IT password??
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I've just tried accessing vceit.com and it's asking for a username and
> password. Any idea how I may be able to obtain them?
>
> Kind Regards,
> Adem Sahingoz
>
> Minaret College
> 1 Birch Street
> Springvale
> Victoria 3171
>
> Ph: 95740567
> Fax: 95484755
>
>
> --
>
>
>  Witty sig goes HERE <<
>
>
> Mark Kelly
>
> http://vceit.com
>
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> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 10:29:17 +0000
> From: "Robinson, Jarrod J" <robinson.jarrod.j at edumail.vic.gov.au>
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] itapps Digest, Vol 124, Issue 43
> To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List"
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> This is the plugin I use for that
>
> https://wordpress.org/plugins/official-add-to-homescreen/
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 21 Jun 2015, at 8:22 pm, Poke, Michael C <
> poke.michael.c at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:
>
> Nice website, Mark. Hats off to you sir. Now all it needs is a mobile web
> app icon and it will hold a permanent place on my iPhone's home screen.
>
> Cheers,
> Michael (in anticipation)
>
> [Insert pithy "Mark Kelly-esque" quote here]
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 21 Jun 2015, at 7:58 pm, "itapps-request at edulists.com.au" <
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 04:18:15 +0000
> From: "Robinson, Jarrod J" <robinson.jarrod.j at edumail.vic.gov.au>
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] VCE IT password??
> To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List"
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>
> Awesome move to WP Mark. Nothing better.
>
> Yell out if you want plugin selections or anything WP related, including
> access to my developers and designers
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 21 Jun 2015, at 1:23 pm, Mark <mark at vceit.com<mailto:mark at vceit.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Hi all.
>
> A charmingly-incompetent help desk operative at my web host screwed up a
> relatively-simple support request.
> In the end I helped the help desk and fixed it myself.
>
> I apologise for the downtime, but it was liver-warming to see that people
> still see value in the creaking, old, encrusted domain.
>
> I didn't notice that outage because I am currently scraping barnacles off
> my HTML and working on populating a new, slim, shiny, sexy, hydromatic,
> informatic site for the new study design at http://vceit.com/wp.
>
> Luckily for you guys, Wordpress takes a lot of design choice off my
> shoulders  :-)
> The only drawback is the lack of a <BLINK> tag, but I hope to find a
> suitable plugin soon...
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 21 June 2015 at 10:00, Fox, Richard R <fox.richard.r at edumail.vic.gov.au
> <mailto:fox.richard.r at edumail.vic.gov.au>> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> That's not normal, something must be wrong with the site. We'll have to
> wait on Mark to sort that one out.
>
> Richard
> --
> Richard Fox
> Teacher of IT and Science
> Learning Technologies and ICT Infrastructure
> Diamond Valley College
> 9438 1411
> ________________________________
> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au>
> [itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au>]
> on behalf of Adem Sahingoz [asahingoz at minaret.vic.edu.au<mailto:
> asahingoz at minaret.vic.edu.au>]
> Sent: Sunday, 21 June 2015 9:48 AM
> To: itapps at edulists.com.au<mailto:itapps at edulists.com.au>
> Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] VCE IT password??
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I've just tried accessing vceit.com<http://vceit.com> and it's asking for
> a username and password. Any idea how I may be able to obtain them?
>
> Kind Regards,
> Adem Sahingoz
>
> Minaret College
> 1 Birch Street
> Springvale
> Victoria 3171
>
> Ph: 95740567
> Fax: 95484755
>
>
> --
>
>  Witty sig goes HERE <<
>
>
> Mark Kelly
> [
> https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B4DRNqu3Y8sZV04xVUpCaVJTbHc&revid=0B4DRNqu3Y8sZaG9iYzlkRTE2YkVkS2x0Mk4vM1Fja3BYdFYwPQ
> ]
> http://vceit.com
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> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 19:49:19 +1000
> From: Laurie Savage <08327998 at pvgc.vic.edu.au>
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] VCE IT password??
> To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List"
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> Who needs <BLINK> when they can have <MARQUEE>?
>
> Laurie
>
> Laurie Savage
> https://sites.google.com/a/pvgc.vic.edu.au/mr-savage/home
>
> On 21 June 2015 at 14:18, Robinson, Jarrod J <
> robinson.jarrod.j at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:
>
> Awesome move to WP Mark. Nothing better.
>
> Yell out if you want plugin selections or anything WP related, including
> access to my developers and designers
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 21 Jun 2015, at 1:23 pm, Mark <mark at vceit.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all.
>
> A charmingly-incompetent help desk operative at my web host screwed up a
> relatively-simple support request.
> In the end I helped the help desk and fixed it myself.
>
> I apologise for the downtime, but it was liver-warming to see that
> people still see value in the creaking, old, encrusted domain.
>
> I didn't notice that outage because I am currently scraping barnacles
> off my HTML and working on populating a new, slim, shiny, sexy, hydromatic,
> informatic site for the new study design at http://vceit.com/wp.
>
> Luckily for you guys, Wordpress takes a lot of design choice off my
> shoulders  :-)
> The only drawback is the lack of a <BLINK> tag, but I hope to find a
> suitable plugin soon...
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 21 June 2015 at 10:00, Fox, Richard R <
> fox.richard.r at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> That's not normal, something must be wrong with the site. We'll have to
> wait on Mark to sort that one out.
>
> Richard
> --
> Richard Fox
> Teacher of IT and Science
> Learning Technologies and ICT Infrastructure
> Diamond Valley College
> 9438 1411
> ------------------------------
> *From:* itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> on behalf of Adem Sahingoz [asahingoz at minaret.vic.edu.au]
> *Sent:* Sunday, 21 June 2015 9:48 AM
> *To:* itapps at edulists.com.au
> *Subject:* [Year 12 IT Apps] VCE IT password??
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I've just tried accessing vceit.com and it's asking for a username and
> password. Any idea how I may be able to obtain them?
>
> Kind Regards,
> Adem Sahingoz
>
> Minaret College
> 1 Birch Street
> Springvale
> Victoria 3171
>
> Ph: 95740567
> Fax: 95484755
>
>
> --
>
>
>  Witty sig goes HERE <<
>
>
> Mark Kelly
>
> http://vceit.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> http://www.edulists.com.au - FAQ, resources, subscribe, unsubscribe
> IT Applications Mailing List kindly supported by
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> Victorian Curriculum and Assessment Authority <br>
> http://www.vitta.org.au  - VITTA Victorian Information Technology
> Teachers Association Inc <br>
> http://www.swinburne.edu.au/ict/schools - Swinburne University
>
> *Important - *This email and any attachments may be confidential. If
> received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening
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