[Year 12 IT Apps] Anyone using Ruby for IT at Year 12/11 Please return to SoftDev list?

Tue Dec 6 17:33:32 EST 2011

So let's get this back where it belongs! Or at least separate the ItApps and the SoftDev discussions.

Thanks folks! 

Robert Hind (Semi-retired) OOF, GOM, COF
Ashwood and Traralgon
robert at yinnar.com

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Timmer-Arends 
  To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 5:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Anyone using Ruby for IT at Year 12/11

  Agreed, but
  1. this applies to SD not IT Apps, and as Brett has already noted, this discussion is on the IT Apps list
  2. the quote does not refer to "text based data storage", so the content/structure of the file(s) is not proscribed

  Regards
  Robert T-A
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Mark KELLY 
    To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List 
    Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:25 AM
    Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Anyone using Ruby for IT at Year 12/11

    The warning about not using databases with programs was in the VCAA bulletin that listed the approved languages for 2011. It said in part: 
    With all of the above languages, databases are not to be used to support the construction of solutions. Students should be able to demonstrate the highest level of achievement using only the selected programming language. Additional languages can be used to embellish a solution, for example JavaScript with web pages; however, these would be supplementary to the main language and not replace it.

    On 6 December 2011 00:16, Brett Groves <groves.brett.g at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:

      Hi Robert,

      I noticed afterward that this came through in the Apps not SD list. So I guess the database quip was doubly incorrect. I guess you could use rails as an RDBMS but I think you'd spend much more time teaching the students ruby than the niceties of normalised forms. Oddly I am absolutely certain I've seen a quite explicit prohibition on SQL/MYSQL data stores for SD outcome tasks. Been back through the study design and advice, albeit with some brevity since like everyone else I am arm deep in reports, but I cannot find that reference. Fairly certain I'm not hallucinating, that only happens beyond report 100 usually :-) It was discussed at some length in threads on the SD list in 2009/10 and there was some debate around the relative merits of using comparatively primitive data storage containers. Perhaps, more knowledgeable heads than mine can shed more light on this apprehension. Now back to reports :-( 

Regards,
Brett Groves
ICT Manager
Croydon Secondary College

      On 05/12/11 16:46, Timmer-Arends wrote: 
        Hello Brett

        "the study design specifically outlaws databases and insists on text base data storage "

        I'm curious to know where it says this?

        Regards
        Robert T-A
        Brighton SC
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Brett Groves 
          To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List 
          Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 11:39 AM
          Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Anyone using Ruby for IT at Year 12/11

          Yes we used Ruby and Shooes for the gui last year. Mixed results, much slower for me to help students debug, generally easier for rapid development but students would have universally preferred VbNet. The most issues I found were around the lack of a really good gui generator, basically Shooes sucks for anything but the simplest gui. On the plus side if you use Netbeans as your IDE  it supports both Ruby and Rails brilliantly, great to work with. A word of caution though the study design specifically outlaws databases and insists on text base data storage so Rails is of no use to you whatsoever. Cheers

Regards,
Brett Groves
ICT Manager
Croydon Secondary College
          On 05/12/11 11:22, Ciotti, George W wrote: 
            Hi,
            I was just wondering whether anyone is or has used Ruby? More commonly known as Ruby on Rails or just Rails. It seems like an interesting environment that could be used in ITA and ITSD. I am currently learning the language and even from the early stages of the tutorials it seems a very good fit for senior IT classes. 

            Thanks in advance

            George

            The University High School
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