[Year 12 IT Apps] Spreadsheet vs Database for U4O1

Mon Dec 5 20:25:17 EST 2011

Perhaps I fall corrected

Robert Hind (Semi-retired) OOF, GOM, COF
Ashwood and Traralgon
robert at yinnar.com

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  From: Mann, Warrick D 
  To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List 
  Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 8:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Spreadsheet vs Database for U4O1

  I agree with Mark.

  From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Mark KELLY
  Sent: Monday, 5 December 2011 7:07 PM
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  Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Spreadsheet vs Database for U4O1

  Disagree. U4O1 key knowledge is not database-driven. It applies equally to SS.

  On 5 December 2011 16:25, Robert Hind <robert at yinnar.com> wrote:

  No Mark you did not suggest that! But the U401 outcomes are essentially to do with databases, whatever the SD says.

  I just have a real problem with using a spreadsheet to do what is essentially database work. It is like using MS Word to do desktop publishing. Perhaps we are headed towards the MSicandoitall.exe that will do word processing, spreadsheets, databases, dtp, slide shows - and would you like fries with that?

  Please let's use appropriate software.

  Robert Hind (Semi-retired) OOF, GOM, COF
  Ashwood and Traralgon
  robert at yinnar.com

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    From: Mark KELLY 

    To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List 

    Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 3:30 PM

    Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Spreadsheet vs Database for U4O1

    Hi Robert

    I don't use spreadsheets as databases... did I somehow suggest that?

    I've found the number of students having trouble with spreadsheets is way less than those having dB trouble - and their marks for U4O1 compared to U3O2 clearly reflect that.

    On 5 December 2011 15:14, Robert Hind <robert at yinnar.com> wrote:

    Hi Mark,

    I have never been in favour of using a spreadsheet as a database. So would
    really go for a RDBMS for U401 rather than spreadsheet software. Introduce
    the RDBMS in year 11 and progress from  there. Sure some students have
    problems with databases, but then the same students have trouble with
    spreadsheets :-)

    Robert Hind (Semi-retired) OOF, GOM, COF
    Ashwood and Traralgon
    robert at yinnar.com

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    From: "Mark Scott" <msc at luther.vic.edu.au>
    To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List"
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    Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 10:28 AM
    Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] Spreadsheet vs Database for U4O1

    > Dear all
    >
    > I am considering a move away from Spreadsheets for U4O1.
    >
    > It just seemed that the 2011 exam might have favoured those students who
    > did Databases instead.
    >
    > What do people think?
    >
    > thanks
    > Mark Scott
    > Luther College
    >
    > "The busier you get, the slower you walk" anon
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