[Year 12 IT Apps] 2011 numbers

Mon Sep 13 10:33:00 EST 2010

Event management?  Sounds fascinating.

I guess it's more than 10 weeks of Gantt and PERT?

On 13 September 2010 08:45, Claudia Graham <
claudia.graham at overnewton.vic.edu.au> wrote:

>  Brendyn,
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> We still have IT as a core subject in year 5-8 (content a bit of everything
> – not really my specialty haven’t taught year 5 for about 5 years). Our year
> 9, have a dedicated centre, with lap top (compulsory and a core it subject),
> students can also elect to get a laptop earlier in year7 I think and we also
> have a class worth of laptops between each middle school class (Y5-8)
>
> Year 10 has Game Maker (mostly boys), Event Management (mostly girls) and
> DIYIT (a more hands on class). We are looking at adding a robotics unit in a
> couple of year. All our Year 10 subject not just IT must have ICT in them –
> as they all have laptop we must utilize them.
>
>
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> We do not block until students select subjects (late July) and a decision
> has been made about what subject/classes run. So the other subjects they
> select generally don’t clash as we start our blocking from year 12 down.
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> I don’t think we do anything special, others do far more creative and
> cutting edge stuff then we do. We are just happy we have been able to
> weather the decline in numbers.
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> Regards
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> Claudia
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> Claudia Graham
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> VCE Coordinator
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> Assistant to the Head of Staff (Keilor Campus)
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> *From:* itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
> itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Brendyn Hancock
> *Sent:* Monday, 13 September 2010 8:20 AM
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> *To:* Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] 2011 numbers
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> Claudia
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> Interesting comments. Can you give the list an overview of your ICT class
> structure years 7-12? Are your y10 classes all electives?
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> Cheers
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> B
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> *Brendyn Hancock*
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> *From:* itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
> itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Claudia Graham
> *Sent:* Sunday, 12 September 2010 1:19 PM
> *To:* Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List; Year 12 Software
> Development Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* [Year 12 IT Apps] 2011 numbers
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> I always find this an interesting discussion at this time of year.
>
>
>
> We have since 2000 had fairly consistent numbers, so over three different
> study designs we have had one full class of IPM/ITA of about 20-25, and an
> SD class of 8-14. The numbers are similar next year with ITA just slipping
> over the 25 mark to allow us to have two classes. (our Year 11-12 cohort is
> about 360) Year 11 and Year 10 have solid numbers, with year 10 having 4-6
> semester electives running most years.
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> We have not been able to sustain any VET classes (we tend to go against the
> trend in this area), we had it one 2 year cycle a couple of years back.
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> And I know we often blame the study design but there are so many factors
> that impact on students decisions to choose a subject. As VCE Coordinator I
> would say, in general, the exact content of a course has limited influence
> over selection, other than having to have a general interest in that subject
> area. Peer group, prerequisites, and certainly not least the teachers they
> have had as well as the teachers expected to teach the subject have ever
> increasing influence. Most kids I spoke to about ITA/SD hadn’t even realised
> there were any changes for next year, because they had made the selection on
> what a teacher said or did and what their friend who is doing it this year
> said etc. Not sure what we teach is an important as how we teach it.
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> Regards
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> Claudia
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> PS: my 2 cents because I had 5 minute free on a weekend while in the middle
> of the last SD SAC of the year!
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> Claudia Graham
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> VCE Coordinator
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> Assistant to the Head of Staff (Keilor Campus)
>
> Overnewton College
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> 9334 0049 (direct)
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> *From:* itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
> itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Kent Beveridge
> *Sent:* Sunday, 12 September 2010 10:38 AM
> *To:* Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* [Year 12 IT Apps] ITApps 2011?
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> Another slightly different perspective on this topic,....
>
> IFF statistical analysis is to reveal anything and as stats are a lot to do
> with sampling, population sizes and so on(I am not a statistician by the
> way...) then howcome the 'random audits' conducted by the body overseeing
> our course seems to 'randomly' pick same schools for audit regularly(me now
> 4 years in a row!) and add to that then, why did I bother to organize a
> partnership arrangement with other schools. Some things dont make sense and
> these are but two of them to me.
>
> Also, as far as results go, I've done quite nicely the last 2 years thanks
> very much with my small cohort. BUT, seems I.T.Apps  may be dead here
> now..not sure but dont think anyone picked it for '11.
>
> Got Certs 2 & 3 running instead now.  Also might convert the middle school
> I.T. to programming and game development using Actionscript and similar...
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> my 2.57 cents worth..
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> KB.
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> Kent Beveridge
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> ICT Co-ordinator, St.Brigids CSC, HORSHAM,Vic,Aus.
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> behalf of Roland Gesthuizen [rgesthuizen at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, 11 September 2010 10:56 AM
> *To:* Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] McKinnon classes 2011
>
> Three years ago, my VCE IT classes got shouldered with the Arts block so
> the my students are generally drawn from Maths-Science to Business
> Studies-Arts. Most have an ESL background and my most 'accademic' IT student
> has only been in Australia for a couple of years and struggles with many
> basic computing ideas. I am still smouldering by the reviewer who openly
> ticked me off for a decline in IT results. Explaining to a bean-counter
> about small sample sizes, teaching for all and shifting cohort groups doesnt
> cut much cloth when they wave their moderation wand.
>
> Oddly enough, I have more girls in my year 12 class than boys. I put this
> to the splendid Go-Girls-Gor-For IT seminar we ran for the year 10s a couple
> of years ago. My guess is that if I hadn't done this, we would also be down
> to just one class. The pictures speak for themselves and I believe they are
> running the event again.
>     http://www.flickr.com/photos/plakboek/sets/72157624373556087/
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> Lock and load ..
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> Regards Roland
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> PS: My biggest challenge is enthusing kids to return to school / class
> following the term break for revision and sticking it out. For the past
> couple of years, I sit outside the examination room to fire off a
> threatening glare for anybody that even just dates to think about leaving
> early (sigh) .. some later admit that the thought of a grumpy Mr G lurking
> outside keeps them indoors.
>
> PSS: Increasingly like the idea of switching to offering SD instead next
> year.
>
> On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Brendyn Hancock <
> BHancock at nagle.vic.edu.au> wrote:
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> M
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> Many of our kids are taking classes with fancy names and little content.
> Many of them are going for classes that require less of them. Many of the
> VCE kids are going to VCAL/VET.
>
> Lots are going to more social based content classes. Environmental Studies.
> Social Justice studies. Art.
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> My observation.
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> B
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> *From:* itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
> itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Mark KELLY
> *Sent:* Friday, 10 September 2010 9:59 AM
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> *To:* Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
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> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] McKinnon classes 2011
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> Do you know where they're going instead?
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> On 10 September 2010 09:46, Brendyn Hancock <BHancock at nagle.vic.edu.au>
> wrote:
>
> Mark
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>
> Was just about to post this same discussion. We seem to be all re-visiting
> this.
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> Nagle has an enrolment of 950. 2011 classes have just been drafted. Unit
> 1-2=8 students, Unit 3-4=1 student
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> Interesting to note we can only raise 2 classes of 25 student for a term
> elective of gamemaker in Y10 as well.
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> Trends are trending away from us..
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> Cheers
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> B
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> *Brendyn Hancock*
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> *ICT Manager*
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> *From:* itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
> itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Mark KELLY
> *Sent:* Friday, 10 September 2010 9:01 AM
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> *Subject:* [Year 12 IT Apps] McKinnon classes 2011
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> It's really odd!
>
> ITA, which has run continuously *forever* with good numbers has barely
> scraped a class together for next year by combining year elevens and twelves
> into one small ITA class.
>
> SD, which has only run every 3 or so years (with a small cohort when it did
> run), is nearly over-subscribed.
>
> There don't seem to be any clear local causes for such a great change of
> attitude (e.g. changes of teachers or big changes in middle-years IT
> offerings) so I can only put it down to either something in the water, or
> the changes to the study design.
>
> To be fair, I haven't heard kids explicitly blaming the ITA study design,
> and for some reason they seem dead keen on programming in our year 10 Info
> Systems elective. My year 11 IT classes have been dead quiet for 2 weeks
> with the kids busily coding in VB6.  Last year I had to beat them with
> chairs to finish the VB material... this year I can sit up the front folding
> paper aeroplanes and clipping my toenails while they beaver away and sort
> out problems within their own ranks.
>
> Odd!
>
> --
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> Information Systems Manager; Reporting Manager
> McKinnon Secondary College
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