[Year 12 IT Apps] 2011 numbers

Mon Sep 13 09:42:39 EST 2010

I would tend to agree with this. Although the actual ICT basic skills of
students in Gippsland is extremely poor (Traralgon College and Lowanna
College).

In year 7-9 (junior Campus) there are NO IT electives, or general
courses for that matter and it is integrated very little. While here at
the Senior Campus, I run a choice of 5 electives from basic office use
to programming / game design. The year 10 students are now required to
have netbook, but very little true integration is occurring still, with
student "appropriate use" skills quite low in most cases.

Appropriate use being: being able to correctly format documents etc -
this is highly evident in my word processing class. Basic skills are
just not there. Web skills are quite god though.

Cheers

Warrick

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[mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Brendyn Hancock
Sent: Monday, 13 September 2010 9:29 AM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] 2011 numbers

Claudia

Thank you. 

This is very revealing I believe. It is clear to see that your school
places a very high value in ICT as a subject and ICT as a skill, along
with ICT as a method for curric delivery.

With the trend to integrated ICT,  many have thought that there was no
longer any need to have ICT as a subject. I reckon this has  had a
greater impact on ITA numbers then we have given it credit for.

Cheers

B

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ICT Manager

Nagle College

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[mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Claudia Graham
Sent: Monday, 13 September 2010 8:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] 2011 numbers

Brendyn,

We still have IT as a core subject in year 5-8 (content a bit of
everything - not really my specialty haven't taught year 5 for about 5
years). Our year 9, have a dedicated centre, with lap top (compulsory
and a core it subject), students can also elect to get a laptop earlier
in year7 I think and we also have a class worth of laptops between each
middle school class (Y5-8)

Year 10 has Game Maker (mostly boys), Event Management (mostly girls)
and DIYIT (a more hands on class). We are looking at adding a robotics
unit in a couple of year. All our Year 10 subject not just IT must have
ICT in them - as they all have laptop we must utilize them.

We do not block until students select subjects (late July) and a
decision has been made about what subject/classes run. So the other
subjects they select generally don't clash as we start our blocking from
year 12 down.

I don't think we do anything special, others do far more creative and
cutting edge stuff then we do. We are just happy we have been able to
weather the decline in numbers.

Regards

Claudia

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VCE Coordinator

Assistant to the Head of Staff (Keilor Campus)

Overnewton College

9334 0049 (direct)

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[mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Brendyn Hancock
Sent: Monday, 13 September 2010 8:20 AM
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Claudia

Interesting comments. Can you give the list an overview of your ICT
class structure years 7-12? Are your y10 classes all electives?

Cheers

B

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[mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Claudia Graham
Sent: Sunday, 12 September 2010 1:19 PM
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Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] 2011 numbers

I always find this an interesting discussion at this time of year.

We have since 2000 had fairly consistent numbers, so over three
different study designs we have had one full class of IPM/ITA of about
20-25, and an SD class of 8-14. The numbers are similar next year with
ITA just slipping over the 25 mark to allow us to have two classes. (our
Year 11-12 cohort is about 360) Year 11 and Year 10 have solid numbers,
with year 10 having 4-6 semester electives running most years.

We have not been able to sustain any VET classes (we tend to go against
the trend in this area), we had it one 2 year cycle a couple of years
back.

And I know we often blame the study design but there are so many factors
that impact on students decisions to choose a subject. As VCE
Coordinator I would say, in general, the exact content of a course has
limited influence over selection, other than having to have a general
interest in that subject area. Peer group, prerequisites, and certainly
not least the teachers they have had as well as the teachers expected to
teach the subject have ever increasing influence. Most kids I spoke to
about ITA/SD hadn't even realised there were any changes for next year,
because they had made the selection on what a teacher said or did and
what their friend who is doing it this year said etc. Not sure what we
teach is an important as how we teach it. 

Regards

Claudia

PS: my 2 cents because I had 5 minute free on a weekend while in the
middle of the last SD SAC of the year!

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Claudia Graham

VCE Coordinator

Assistant to the Head of Staff (Keilor Campus)

Overnewton College

9334 0049 (direct)

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[mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Kent Beveridge
Sent: Sunday, 12 September 2010 10:38 AM
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Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] ITApps 2011?

Another slightly different perspective on this topic,....

IFF statistical analysis is to reveal anything and as stats are a lot to
do with sampling, population sizes and so on(I am not a statistician by
the way...) then howcome the 'random audits' conducted by the body
overseeing our course seems to 'randomly' pick same schools for audit
regularly(me now 4 years in a row!) and add to that then, why did I
bother to organize a partnership arrangement with other schools. Some
things dont make sense and these are but two of them to me.

Also, as far as results go, I've done quite nicely the last 2 years
thanks very much with my small cohort. BUT, seems I.T.Apps  may be dead
here now..not sure but dont think anyone picked it for '11.

Got Certs 2 & 3 running instead now.  Also might convert the middle
school I.T. to programming and game development using Actionscript and
similar...

my 2.57 cents worth..

KB.

Kent Beveridge

ICT Co-ordinator, St.Brigids CSC, HORSHAM,Vic,Aus.

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Sent: Saturday, 11 September 2010 10:56 AM
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Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] McKinnon classes 2011

Three years ago, my VCE IT classes got shouldered with the Arts block so
the my students are generally drawn from Maths-Science to Business
Studies-Arts. Most have an ESL background and my most 'accademic' IT
student has only been in Australia for a couple of years and struggles
with many basic computing ideas. I am still smouldering by the reviewer
who openly ticked me off for a decline in IT results. Explaining to a
bean-counter about small sample sizes, teaching for all and shifting
cohort groups doesnt cut much cloth when they wave their moderation
wand.

Oddly enough, I have more girls in my year 12 class than boys. I put
this to the splendid Go-Girls-Gor-For IT seminar we ran for the year 10s
a couple of years ago. My guess is that if I hadn't done this, we would
also be down to just one class. The pictures speak for themselves and I
believe they are running the event again.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/plakboek/sets/72157624373556087/

Lock and load .. 

Regards Roland

PS: My biggest challenge is enthusing kids to return to school / class
following the term break for revision and sticking it out. For the past
couple of years, I sit outside the examination room to fire off a
threatening glare for anybody that even just dates to think about
leaving early (sigh) .. some later admit that the thought of a grumpy Mr
G lurking outside keeps them indoors.

PSS: Increasingly like the idea of switching to offering SD instead next
year.

On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Brendyn Hancock
<BHancock at nagle.vic.edu.au> wrote:

M

Many of our kids are taking classes with fancy names and little content.
Many of them are going for classes that require less of them. Many of
the VCE kids are going to VCAL/VET.

Lots are going to more social based content classes. Environmental
Studies. Social Justice studies. Art.

My observation.

B

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Do you know where they're going instead?

On 10 September 2010 09:46, Brendyn Hancock <BHancock at nagle.vic.edu.au>
wrote:

Mark

Was just about to post this same discussion. We seem to be all
re-visiting this.

Nagle has an enrolment of 950. 2011 classes have just been drafted. Unit
1-2=8 students, Unit 3-4=1 student

Interesting to note we can only raise 2 classes of 25 student for a term
elective of gamemaker in Y10 as well.

Trends are trending away from us..

Cheers

B

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Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] McKinnon classes 2011

It's really odd!  

ITA, which has run continuously forever with good numbers has barely
scraped a class together for next year by combining year elevens and
twelves into one small ITA class.

SD, which has only run every 3 or so years (with a small cohort when it
did run), is nearly over-subscribed.

There don't seem to be any clear local causes for such a great change of
attitude (e.g. changes of teachers or big changes in middle-years IT
offerings) so I can only put it down to either something in the water,
or the changes to the study design.

To be fair, I haven't heard kids explicitly blaming the ITA study
design, and for some reason they seem dead keen on programming in our
year 10 Info Systems elective. My year 11 IT classes have been dead
quiet for 2 weeks with the kids busily coding in VB6.  Last year I had
to beat them with chairs to finish the VB material... this year I can
sit up the front folding paper aeroplanes and clipping my toenails while
they beaver away and sort out problems within their own ranks.

Odd!

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Information Systems Manager; Reporting Manager
McKinnon Secondary College
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