[Year 12 IT Apps] U302

Wed May 5 13:29:25 EST 2010

In my opinion we either use a design tool and produce a prototype with,
say Dreamweaver - as required - or we go the whole hog and teach
programming a backend database like we do in the Software Devt course.
(PHP with My SQL)
I know what I like doing in IT Apps and it relates to the KISS
principle.
All the rest is academic.
The irony is that some of this cool stuff can be done at yr 10 but it
is just a waste of time for the yr 12s who really just want a good
score.

David Dawson
Head of Information Technology Learning Area
Head of Learning Technologies
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Wesley College 
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>>> itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au 05/05/10 12:50 pm >>>
OK well enough said on this topic. I cant make sense of some of these
replies and it is just turning into an argument.

A.Townsley
townsley.andrew.a at edumail.vic.gov.au 
Fountain Gate SC

-----Original Message-----
From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Cameron Bell
Sent: Wed 5/05/2010 8:32 AM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] U302

Andrew, you can't go saying things like that. It blows our whole
"industry standard" argument out of the water! How can my Yr 7's expect
to get a job in 15 years time without access to the latest you-beaut ,
enterprise-grade, encryption enabled, cloud-ready  package if I can't
play with it myself and then teach them?
I can't believe this heresy!
Next you'll be telling me that we could teach ICT with FLOSS only!
Cheers
Cameron

:P   ;)

On 04/05/2010, at 1:42 PM, Townsley, Andrew A wrote:

> Hi,
>
> My issue was we shouldnt be teaching how to use an application
package but teach skills instead. Skills can be transferred across
packages and this make more educational sense.
>

> A.Townsley
>
> townsley.andrew.a at edumail.vic.gov.au 
> Fountain Gate SC
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Bane, Janet A
> Sent: Sat 1/05/2010 4:05 PM
> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] U302
>
> Hi all,
>
> When I said "I hope this will be a useful resource for others, and if
you have comments/suggestions/tips about Expression Web that you want to
share I, for one, would be most grateful" - this wasn't quite what I
meant!  I think you are all missing the point here.
>
>
> The point is that there are many different packages out there which
people use to do Outcome 2.  The web authoring/virtual team SAC
continues in the next study design as well.  I don't want to debate the
merits of each type of software. (my software is better than your
software....no it isn't.....yes it is..... - its all pretty childish if
you ask me!).  In most schools you "get what you're given", and in my
case, Expression Web is what I was given to work with.
>
>
> All I was trying to do was to provide a resource for others who may
also be using Expression Web  and would like some guidance  (as there is
nothing out there).  Just do a search through the vitta resources with
the word "expression web" and see how many you get.    As far as EW
itself is concerned, I have only scratched the surface, but can see
there are a lot of innovations and improvements over Front Page.  It is
quite suitable for high school student level and as Mark K has stated,
the aim of the SAC is not to turn out ready-made web designers, but
students who have a good working knowledge of how a virtual team works. 
They don't need to get too technical.
>
>
> Finally, you may be surprised to  know that  many schools are using
Expression Web, Dreamweaver or even the old Front Page.   If you are in
a Govt School, it is likely that you are using MS products (FP or EW)
and therefore resources such as mine are probably of interest. For those
that aren't,  perhaps you would like to upload some of the ones you have
developed, Andrew, so we can share some of your expertise as well.
>
>
>   regards
>
> Janet Bane
> Patterson River SC
>
>   _____
>
> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Townsley, Andrew A
> Sent: Fri 30-Apr-10 5:34 PM
> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] U302
>
>>
> Hi,
>
> I really wouldnt bother with expression web or dreamweaver  IMHO.
>  IT isnt a professional product like VWD which you can easily add
interactive content and it is free.
> This will teach actually skills that some students can extend their
learning on.
>
> Next best would be PHP. YOu dont need to code interactive stuff but
this will cater for all learners.
>
> A.Townsley
> townsley.andrew.a at edumail.vic.gov.au 
> Fountain Gate SC
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Bane, Janet A
> Sent: Fri 30/04/2010 4:24 PM
> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] U302
>
> Hi all
>
> I have been dragged (kicking and screaming), into the wonderful world
of Expression Web.  Our technicians took away Front Page when we
upgraded to Windows 7.
>
>
> The first thing I found out was that there are very few good
resources out there, and even fewer people who could actually show/tell 
me what to do.  Lots of stuff had changed (or maybe it hadn't, I just
couldn't find it).  SO ....   after lots of tense moments, I have come
up with a set of notes, written for Expression Web users, based on the
notes I did earlier for Front Page.  It follows the development of the
website for Fast Feet, which I'm sure most people are familiar with, if
they have the VITTA CD for the current study design.
>
>
> It is now available on the VITTA site, under the title: Fast feet
with Expression web.
>
> It goes through the steps involved in creating and developing the
website for Fast Feet.  It contains Home, Management, Production,
Customer and Bulletin Board pages and a Staff login page as well as some
theory questions along the way.  The customer page is optional as the
website is for the virtual team, however I include it to show students
how to use form elements.
>
>
> I hope this will be a useful resource for others, and if you have
comments/suggestions/tips about Expression Web that you want to share I,
for one, would be most grateful.
>
>
> regards
>
>
> Janet Bane
> Patterson River SC
>
>   _____
>
> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Mark KELLY
> Sent: Thu 29-Apr-10 8:25 AM
> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] U302
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Townsley, Andrew A
<townsley.andrew.a at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Reading the Study Design for unit 302 I am seeing that students need
to create a website with 'non-functional' interactive content for a
virtual team. Also they need to evaluate it.
>
> 1)If my students know how to make websites already then what new
skills do I need to teach them for this?
>
>
>
>
> The webmaking skills are pretty modest, so not a lot of training may
be required.  That's why I do U3O2 as the first outcome.  What the kids
do need to know is the needs of a virtual team and how they can be
satisfied with a website.  That's really what is being assessed (as well
as the basic networking knowledge required.)
>
> Their site has to demonstrate an ability to help a vt share
information and make decisions, and the kids have to demonstrate
appropriate tools to achieve those ends (e.g. chat, wiki, forum, shared
calendar, security [e.g. a simulated login page to their site], file
exchange, team contacts etc).
>
> Since most of these tools will have to be simulated because of the
restrictions in a classroom environment, their image editing skills will
need to be developed so they can doctor screenshots of such tools in
action.
>
> I can add interactive content with VS2008 VWD ( I hope people are
using this or PHP and not dreamweaver/frontpage).
>  The example SAC's I saw didn't really expand on basic web site
building skills.
>
>
>
>
> Don't get distracted by spending huge efforts trying to make
functional sites: that is not really the point of the outcome.  It's
about the needs of virtual teams.  Software Development is the arena for
cracking open VS2008...
>
>
>
>
>
> A.Townsley
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