[Year 12 IT Apps] Static Web sites

Fri Apr 3 12:23:23 EST 2009

I think you're quite right. I guess we have to ask if we are teaching
future designers and developers or advanced consumers. Maybe adding
content to CMS frameworks should be a focus in ITApps which is more ICT
in business/management oriented than SofDev.

Meanwhile, what tools does a developer use to build a CMS framework?
Well they would probably be using Photoshop or Fireworks, Dreamweaver or Expressions as well as Netbeans and Aptana or other nasty Java/PHP/SQL based IDEs.

Laurie

Just recently, on Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 11:47:01AM +1100  in fact, Davies, Brett mentioned:
> Whether you use drupal, joomla or any other cms, there is still a requirement to build solid html/css and both dreamweaver and expression do this exceptionally well. 
> 
> A CMS is NOT a replacement for a web editor. A CMS is used to add functionality and allow those without html knowledge to edit content without destroying the design.
> 
> Dreamweaver (and its competitors)  is still an essential tool...whether building static sites or not
> 
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Algie, Ross [ralgie at mcmedia.com.au]
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 9:52 AM
> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] Static Web sites
> 
> As part of its review of the new Adobe Dreamweaver a month or so back, PC
> Pro magazine (an English publication) noted that no matter how well
> companies like Adobe dressed up traditional web apps such as Dreamweaver,
> their days are effectively over simply because they cannot compete with
> content management systems. Drupal was cited as one of the growing number of
> compelling alternatives. No doubt schools here will continue to persevere
> with Frontpage and Dreamweaver because the alternatives will be too
> difficult to organise within current structures.
> While on the one hand we're encouraged to join the digital revolution,
> central policies and practices are in fact antithetical to this.
> 
> Cheers
> Ross Algie
> Mooroopna Secondary College
> 
> Roland Gesthuizen writes:
> 
> > Yes, they cracked a huge wobbly here. Am just recovering from the huge punch
> > up that resulted and only called timeout by rolling back to FrontPage. We
> > will now instead migrate to our Drupal server. Once I finish dressing it up
> > and get some staff trained, this will go live.
> >       http://www.westallsc.vic.edu.au -->
> > http://drupal.westallsc.vic.edu.au(draft)
> >
> > Interesting thought .. one of my more learned colleagues suggested that as
> > many organisations are now using various flavours of content management
> > systems to publish their resources, perhaps building large and integrated
> > website with tools like Web Expressions, Dream Weaver etc is now of
> > accademic value only. It makes as much sense as building a car by hand with
> > a mechano set when you can subcontract the work to a mechanised auto plant.
> >
> > Regards Roland
> >
> > PS: There are some excellent drupal training courses running in Melbourne. I
> > am happy to cross post some details.
> >
> > 2009/4/2 Toet, Rikki L <toet.rikki.l at edumail.vic.gov.au>
> >
> >>  Hi Kent,
> >>
> >> From what I’ve seen of Web Expressions it is similar to MS FrontPage, but
> >> allows you to do more complex things. For example, I caught one of the very
> >> bright students using it to create a proxy server so he can bypass all of
> >> the school server settings. On the other hand, it doesn’t have the simple
> >> things, such as navigation view.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The rest of the IT staff here have complained about it as all of their
> >> resources are for FrontPage. We are in the process of trying to get it back
> >> on the network.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hope this helps
> >>
> >> Rikki
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
> >> itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Kent Beveridge
> >> *Sent:* Thursday, 2 April 2009 8:50 AM
> >> *To:* Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> >> *Subject:* RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] Unit 3 O2 Resources
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Rikki,
> >>
> >> can you give us some feedback about 'expressions' easy to use, easy to
> >> teach,...easy to LEARN?  I am considering getting it here for next year.
> >>
> >> cheers,
> >>
> >> Kent.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ps..combined class eh? personally, I find that challenging..been there!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *Kent Beveridge**,*
> >>
> >> *I.C.T. co-ordinator*
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
> >> *From:* itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Toet, Rikki L
> >> *Sent:* Wed 4/1/2009 2:59 PM
> >> *To:* Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> >> *Subject:* [Year 12 IT Apps] Unit 3 O2 Resources
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I am currently teaching at Grovedale College and this year is my first
> >> time teaching IT Apps and 11 IT (It is a combined class so I started
> >> with Outcome 2 for Unit 1). I will be starting U3O2 and U1O1 after the
> >> holidays and we have just changed from MS FrontPage to Web Expressions
> >> 2. Due to this, I have next to nothing in the way of resources. Can
> >> anyone help me out with exercises, worksheets, SACs, etc. or even advice
> >> on what to do and where I can get resources from.
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >>
> >> Rikki Toet
> >> Grovedale College
> >> Wingarra Drv. Grovedale 3216, Vic, Australia
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> >
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