[Year 12 IT Apps] Q12 redux

[Robert]

The training session is finished and I am  now marking papers.

It was really good  that the interaction between all the markers present and 
the examiners was able to clarify and determine the marking criteria for all 
questions.

And yes Mark Scott I do feel free to comment on such broad generalities

But not on any specific details

Robert Hind (Semi-retired)
Ashwood and Traralgon
robert at yinnar.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Scott" <msc at luther.vic.edu.au>
To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List" 
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Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] Q12 redux


> Yes you probably should have said nothing in the first place
>
> Mark Scott
> Luther College
>
> ________________________________________
> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Hind [robert at yinnar.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:11 PM
> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Q12 redux
>
> Mark,
>
> I think, given the confidentiality clauses, etc that we sign as markers,
> this question should go to the VCAA
>
> Robert Hind (Semi-retired)
> Ex Traralgon and Ashwood
> robert at yinnar.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Kelly" <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au>
> To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List"
> <itapps at edulists.com.au>
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Q12 redux
>
>
>> Hi Robert.  When you say you come to an agreement on the short answer
>> section, does this mean they _don't_ discuss the answers for Section A?
>>
>> Robert wrote:
>>> Thanks  Mark for all your effort.
>>>
>>> Well in the morning I'm off to the training session for the exam 
>>> markers.
>>> Always an interesting experience!
>>>
>>> The examiners together with the markers come an agreement on the marking
>>> scheme for each of the questions in the short answer section. This
>>> process deals with any problems with the interpretation of questions.
>>>
>>> And believe me that these sessions are sometimes quite heated!
>>>
>>> But is does mean that we do our best to give credit to students for
>>> appropriate answers and ensure that the "best" students get the best
>>> marks.
>>>
>>> Robert Hind (Semi-retired)
>>> Ashwood and Traralgon
>>> robert at yinnar.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kelly"
>>> <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au>
>>> To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List"
>>> <itapps at edulists.com.au>
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:45 PM
>>> Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] Q12 redux
>>>
>>>
>>>> I've been pondering Q12 and I've worked out where we've differed.  I've
>>>> been thinking of the dropdown list more as a tool for selecting an
>>>> existing ID, rather than entering a NEW record.
>>>>
>>>> The exam question does not explain the principal purpose of the form -
>>>> is it for data entry or editing?  If it's for entry of new records, I
>>>> agree that it would be pretty useless to use a dropdown list.  However
>>>> for editing existing data, a dropdown list with matching "Find" button
>>>> would be useful.
>>>>
>>>> So in that sense, I'm changing my mind.
>>>>
>>>> But I still don't accept that a dropdown list is suitable as the sole
>>>> means of entering a title.
>>>>
>>>> Sure, provide a list stacked with common titles to save time for data
>>>> entry, but there should be some other way of entering titles that are
>>>> not in the list. (e.g. a simple "Other..." plus a textbox.)
>>>>
>>>> But, examiners being examiners, B is the best of a bad bunch of 
>>>> options.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Mark Kelly
>>>> Manager - Information Systems
>>>> McKinnon Secondary College
>>>> McKinnon Rd McKinnon 3204, Victoria, Australia
>>>> Direct line / Voicemail: 8520 9085
>>>> School Phone +613 8520 9000
>>>> School Fax +613 9578 9253
>>>> kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au
>>>>
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>>>> Most people don't realise that small kitchen sponges, when nailed to 
>>>> the
>>>> forehead, can really REALLY hurt.
>>>>
>> --
>> Mark Kelly
>> Manager - Information Systems
>> McKinnon Secondary College
>> McKinnon Rd McKinnon 3204, Victoria, Australia
>> Direct line / Voicemail: 8520 9085
>> School Phone +613 8520 9000
>> School Fax +613 9578 9253
>> kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au
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>> Webmaster - http://www.mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au
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>> Most people don't realise that small kitchen sponges, when nailed to the
>> forehead, can really REALLY hurt.
>>
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