[Year 12 IT Apps] IT field
Chris Barry
barry.chris.b at edumail.vic.gov.au
Tue Feb 19 08:46:32 EST 2008
Where does one get more information about signing up and heading over to
Dubai?????
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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au]
On Behalf Of E.Attie
Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2008 8:16 AM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT field
Hey Kent,
Some guy in the Emriates paid $15 million US for the numberplate "1" the
other day in Dubai!!!! So, what's a petty $120 000 per year for an expert IT
teacher from Victoria!!!!!!! For $120 000 plus no tax, plus health insurance
paid for plus annual flights paid for plus housing paid for etc etc. They
get a committed IT Applications Teacher that will work day and night to make
sure students learn!!!! The IT Applications Teacher is also multi talented.
They can be a parent, counsellor, father, mother, brother, sister, carer,
babysitter, coach, leader and don't forget an educator. So for $120 000 per
year, I reckon my Arab blood cousins think it's a bargain. Hey I might join
you!!!! And you know what? It is a bargain. Let's just tell that to Uncle
Brumby!
Regards,
Emad Attie
SMC
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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au]
On Behalf Of Kent Beveridge
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 4:44 PM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT field
Hey Emad...
Where can I get me big bucks tax free...I like the sound of that...can I go
tomorrow guaranteed?
Define 'big'? Who do I contact and when does the plane leave? and and
and and...someone stop me!!
Kent.
Kent Beveridge,
I.T. co-ordinator
St. Brigids Catholic Sec. College
Horsham
email.. kbeveridge at stbc.vic.edu.au
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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of E.Attie
Sent: Mon 2/18/2008 3:00 PM
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Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT field
We are the lowest paid teachers in the country. Even if we accept the petty
3.25% from the Brumby Govt we will be paid 15% less than our NSW
counterparts. No wonder we are losing teachers. Most are going to Dubai and
earning the big bucks tax free!!!!!! Or even going across the border!
Emad Attie
SMC
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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au]
On Behalf Of Kent Beveridge
Sent: Monday, 18 February 2008 1:55 PM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT field
Hey Michael,
read your summary about the 'killing off' process wrt IT. Your comments are
pretty much right. (didnt know IT was sexy!). But did know it is promoted as
easy (but in reality...isnt, with all the theory stuff AND prac to be done).
Like yourself, I also have maths so perhaps down the track, might be
redeployed as a Maths teacher as have just got myself accredited to teach at
VCE level now. (that was hard work!).
For those interested...WA needs maths teachers big time and apparently so
does NSW...(perhaps the pay might have something to do with why Vic teachers
are supposedly moving over the border? or so they say...).
Personally, I like the standard of living in VIC.
Hey, as a promo...perhaps someone can INFORM the careers teachers that IT
graduates and specialists get a bloody good wage! Then who cares if it aint
sexy!!! OR, maybe the careers teachers and course advisors can actually
experience the REAL workforce(as many have not!) and get the truth about
what they are promoting!! And before others attack me on that one....I had
real jobs for 9 years before teaching and yes, I do know what I am on
about!! I also keep in touch with the outside job world too just for my own
interests.
Kent.
Kent Beveridge,
I.T. co-ordinator
St. Brigids Catholic Sec. College
Horsham
email.. kbeveridge at stbc.vic.edu.au
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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Michael Walker
Sent: Mon 2/18/2008 12:10 PM
To: itapps at edulists.com.au
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT field
>>> "andrew barry" <jagguy999 at gmail.com> 16/02/2008 2:36 pm >>>
>there is only 1 part-time job in IT available in the whole state of Vic.
>why is it like this?
>do schools not value IT and not many opportunities exist?
I assume from your post you are talking about teaching jobs, not technicians
as Robyn from Camberwell High posted about requiring a technician there and
Canterbury Girls Sec Coll are looking for someone too. As an aside these are
both genuine positions not people reapplying for their contract - most of
you will know what I mean by that and why it's relevant!
If this assumption is correct, I would suggest you dive into the edulists
archives and read all the postings regarding IT classes running and not
running towards the end of last year which should explain why there may not
be as many IT teaching jobs available as you might expect.
In a nutshell from the top of my head:
* VELS incorporating ICT as a cross curricular domain is being used as a
reason for cutting IT classes because "other subject teachers can teach
them". Some schools redeploy IT teachers as some sort of coach/mentor but I
suspect many don't = lost positions.
* VCE IT is on the nose with students as the perception is that it gets
marked down for their ENTER score unlike say various Mathematics subjects.
Also, it's not a prerequisite for anything at uni unlike Maths or English.
So classes get smaller and eventually unviable which is what happened here.
Negative feedback spiral some might say.
* Careers Coordinators are suggesting it as an "easy" topic for students who
may struggle in other subjects, thus putting off the more academic students.
* The subject isn't as sexy or interesting as say Art or Drama or Psych or
the Science ones so again it loses out. This one is a little subjective but
the nerd^H^H^H^H more science / maths / IT oriented students that may choose
IT are more likely to choose Biol or Chem or Maths Methods or Specialist
leaving less of a likelihood of choosing IT for the reasons listed above.
I think that was the main gist of what was said last year. If I've got it
wrong or left something out, I'm sure someone will jump in to correct me and
defend the honour of the subject...:)
Hopefully you've got another area you can teach as well as IT otherwise you
might be a little stuck...
Michael Walker
CGSC tech and future IT teacher (fortunately also Maths)
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