[Year 12 IT Apps] IT field
E.Attie
e.attie at stmonicas-epping.com
Tue Feb 19 08:15:47 EST 2008
Hey Kent,
Some guy in the Emriates paid $15 million US for the numberplate "1" the
other day in Dubai!!!! So, what's a petty $120 000 per year for an
expert IT teacher from Victoria!!!!!!! For $120 000 plus no tax, plus
health insurance paid for plus annual flights paid for plus housing paid
for etc etc. They get a committed IT Applications Teacher that will work
day and night to make sure students learn!!!! The IT Applications
Teacher is also multi talented. They can be a parent, counsellor,
father, mother, brother, sister, carer, babysitter, coach, leader and
don't forget an educator. So for $120 000 per year, I reckon my Arab
blood cousins think it's a bargain. Hey I might join you!!!! And you
know what? It is a bargain. Let's just tell that to Uncle Brumby!
Regards,
Emad Attie
SMC
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[mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Kent Beveridge
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 4:44 PM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT field
Hey Emad...
Where can I get me big bucks tax free...I like the sound of that...can I
go tomorrow guaranteed?
Define 'big'? Who do I contact and when does the plane leave? and and
and and...someone stop me!!
Kent.
Kent Beveridge,
I.T. co-ordinator
St. Brigids Catholic Sec. College
Horsham
email.. kbeveridge at stbc.vic.edu.au
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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of E.Attie
Sent: Mon 2/18/2008 3:00 PM
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Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT field
We are the lowest paid teachers in the country. Even if we accept the
petty 3.25% from the Brumby Govt we will be paid 15% less than our NSW
counterparts. No wonder we are losing teachers. Most are going to Dubai
and earning the big bucks tax free!!!!!! Or even going across the
border!
Emad Attie
SMC
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[mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Kent Beveridge
Sent: Monday, 18 February 2008 1:55 PM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT field
Hey Michael,
read your summary about the 'killing off' process wrt IT. Your comments
are pretty much right. (didnt know IT was sexy!). But did know it is
promoted as easy (but in reality...isnt, with all the theory stuff AND
prac to be done).
Like yourself, I also have maths so perhaps down the track, might be
redeployed as a Maths teacher as have just got myself accredited to
teach at VCE level now. (that was hard work!).
For those interested...WA needs maths teachers big time and apparently
so does NSW...(perhaps the pay might have something to do with why Vic
teachers are supposedly moving over the border? or so they say...).
Personally, I like the standard of living in VIC.
Hey, as a promo...perhaps someone can INFORM the careers teachers that
IT graduates and specialists get a bloody good wage! Then who cares if
it aint sexy!!! OR, maybe the careers teachers and course advisors can
actually experience the REAL workforce(as many have not!) and get the
truth about what they are promoting!! And before others attack me on
that one....I had real jobs for 9 years before teaching and yes, I do
know what I am on about!! I also keep in touch with the outside job
world too just for my own interests.
Kent.
Kent Beveridge,
I.T. co-ordinator
St. Brigids Catholic Sec. College
Horsham
email.. kbeveridge at stbc.vic.edu.au
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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Michael Walker
Sent: Mon 2/18/2008 12:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT field
>>> "andrew barry" <jagguy999 at gmail.com> 16/02/2008 2:36 pm >>>
>there is only 1 part-time job in IT available in the whole state of
Vic.
>why is it like this?
>do schools not value IT and not many opportunities exist?
I assume from your post you are talking about teaching jobs, not
technicians as Robyn from Camberwell High posted about requiring a
technician there and Canterbury Girls Sec Coll are looking for someone
too. As an aside these are both genuine positions not people reapplying
for their contract - most of you will know what I mean by that and why
it's relevant!
If this assumption is correct, I would suggest you dive into the
edulists archives and read all the postings regarding IT classes running
and not running towards the end of last year which should explain why
there may not be as many IT teaching jobs available as you might expect.
In a nutshell from the top of my head:
* VELS incorporating ICT as a cross curricular domain is being used as a
reason for cutting IT classes because "other subject teachers can teach
them". Some schools redeploy IT teachers as some sort of coach/mentor
but I suspect many don't = lost positions.
* VCE IT is on the nose with students as the perception is that it gets
marked down for their ENTER score unlike say various Mathematics
subjects. Also, it's not a prerequisite for anything at uni unlike Maths
or English. So classes get smaller and eventually unviable which is what
happened here. Negative feedback spiral some might say.
* Careers Coordinators are suggesting it as an "easy" topic for students
who may struggle in other subjects, thus putting off the more academic
students.
* The subject isn't as sexy or interesting as say Art or Drama or Psych
or the Science ones so again it loses out. This one is a little
subjective but the nerd^H^H^H^H more science / maths / IT oriented
students that may choose IT are more likely to choose Biol or Chem or
Maths Methods or Specialist leaving less of a likelihood of choosing IT
for the reasons listed above.
I think that was the main gist of what was said last year. If I've got
it wrong or left something out, I'm sure someone will jump in to correct
me and defend the honour of the subject...:)
Hopefully you've got another area you can teach as well as IT otherwise
you might be a little stuck...
Michael Walker
CGSC tech and future IT teacher (fortunately also Maths)
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