[Year 12 IT Apps] RE: Google docs issue

Sun Dec 7 11:51:53 EST 2008

Hi Royce, 

Yes I believe sometimes teachers don't have a complete understanding of the technological underpinning and resource shortages that control the management of ICT in schools, but I also believe that the people who DO understand this should be open to suggestions and remain positive about new advancements. 

Just a few ways that I myself use Google Apps -  

I use Google Apps to share calendars and other resources. I also use the email (I believe the Department of Education in NSW actually went with GMail for its standard student email - 1.3 million students)
http://www.misaustralia.com/viewer.aspx?EDP://1214270475399

I find the tools easy to use and it offers an excellent way for students to collaborate in and out of the classroom.

I use it also particular in Unit 3 IT applications to show students how teams can collaborate effectively - simulating working not just in a classroom, but as part of a virtual team, editing the same document at the same time. The changes automatically appear on the other person's screen and they can chat as well at the same time as well. 

On this link, there are a few ways that educators are using the google apps - 
http://www.google.com/educators/tools.html

I hope this information shows that these tools are worth investigating from an educational point of view!

Kelly Butler
Lara Secondary College

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: RE: Google docs issue (Ros Meadows)
   2. Re: OT: IT Helpdesk Technician position (Roland Gesthuizen)
   3. Re: RE: Google docs issue (Royce Williams)

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Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 18:54:40 +1100
From: Ros Meadows <ros.meadows at gmail.com>
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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:19:43 +1100
From: "Roland Gesthuizen" <rgesthuizen at gmail.com>
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Just a suggestion and apologies if you have already heard this from me.

Drop Apprenticeships Plus a line .. I am so delighted by the support and
experience of our current IT apprentice that I am taking on a second for
2009. <http://www.apprenticeshipsplus.org.au>

Regards Roland

2008/12/5 Phillip Pike <pikep at bmg.vic.edu.au>

>  We are also looking for an IT support person at Bacchus Marsh Grammar, if
> you know anyone in the Western suburbs who may be interested. Virtually
> identical job description as Berwick.
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> Thanks
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> Phil Pike
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> Director of ICT
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> Bacchus Marsh Grammar
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> P (03) 5366 4800
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> F (03) 53664850
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> *From:* Michael Torsello (Mr) [mailto:michael at stmargarets.vic.edu.au]
> *Sent:* Friday, 5 December 2008 9:02 AM
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> Sorry for the OT post but this appears to be the list that gets all the
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> We are looking a full time technician to assist with our helpdesk. A full
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> Perhaps some teachers can forward this to interested friends.
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> *With thanks*
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> *Michael Torsello*
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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:44:20 +1100
From: Royce Williams <Royce.Williams at billanook.vic.edu.au>
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So will one of you give me educational reason that is so pressing that I must divert technological resources to reconfiguring the firewall to allow google docs through. The fact that you "like" firefox and google is niether educational or technical justification. It is really worrying when IT teachers in particular do not understand the technological underpining and resource shortages that control the managment of ICT in schools.

Royce Williams
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On 06/12/2008, at 11:29 AM, "Robert" <robert at yinnar.com<mailto:robert at yinnar.com>> wrote:

Thanks Ros.

The curriculum, the education and needs of the students are paramount.

There may well be some things we "cannot do" on a school network. But the whole technical "tail" needs to put its best efforts into supporting the curriculum and make sure that the dog wags the tail.

Robert Hind (Semi-retired)
Ashwood and Traralgon
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From: Ros Meadows<mailto:ros.meadows at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] RE: Google docs issue

Once again a case of the tail (ie the techs) wagging the dog (ie the curriculum)!!

There is NO sound reason why you can't have firefox and google images, sometimes I wonder if it is just plain laziness, lack of ability or just a hunger for power on the part of techs.

Cheers
Ros
BentleighSC

<mailto:murch at tpg.com.au>murch at tpg.com.au<mailto:murch at tpg.com.au> wrote:

We have some issues with google docs as well. Google images are blocked at our school so this presents problems with the appearance of google
docs. I also want firefox on our computer network but was told we cant have it. We are supposed to be a leading 21st century school!!! I love using
google docs and use them extensively both with staff and schools in other countries etc. Means it is difficult to use them with my students. It is most
annoying.
Anne Mirtschin
Hawkesdale P12 College
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