[Year 12 IT Apps] IT APPS timeline & Unit 1-2 timeline
Kent Beveridge
kbeveridge at stbc.vic.edu.au
Thu Feb 15 12:25:29 EST 2007
Thanks Keith.
Kent.
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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Keith Richardson
Sent: Wed 14/02/2007 5:24 PM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT APPS timeline & Unit 1-2 timeline
Kent, here is my timeline. Cheers, Keith
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 10:55:31 +1100, "Mark Kelly"
<kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au> said:
> 2 cents worth - do U3O2 first. Kids will find web authoring and
> graphics manipulation (for simulating Virtual team tools) easier, and it
> leaves more time to train them up for heavy database studies for U3O1.
>
> Kent Beveridge wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > Has anyone got a timeline for ITA they would be willing to share as my students have had an interrupted start and I am a little unsure about when to do the outcomes with them. I am considering roughly about week 7-8 for OC1 term 1 and similar for OC2 in term 2. We are using the Nelson book and I have similar thoughts to other listers about the material missing from the site that we were expecting to be on there at the commencement of the year(missing links,sample exams etc.)
> > Anyone willing to share a Unit 1-2 timeline similarly would be welcomed.
> > We dont have a programming stream here(yet!) but can access gamemaker6 and VB(not the beer).
> > Am considering streaming some kids towards the programming to engage them in an area of their interest.
> >
> > Have just come back to IT teaching after 3 years in my other disguise as a Maths teacher(not Yr12) so I'm a bit rusty.
> >
> > Also tried the VITTA site but dont have a current membership and thus cant download some of the terrific stuff available there presently. Will check with the boss about school membership.
> >
> > Any thoughts welcome folks...
> >
> > Kent Beveridge (IT years 8-12)
> > St.Brigids Catholic SC, Horsham
> >
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> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Charmaine Taylor
> > Sent: Tue 13/02/2007 12:11 AM
> > To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Potts Ch 3 and Study Design
> >
> >
> > I mix it up but mostly fit the theory in with the practice eg my recent classes
> > Databases - purposes, structure, design tools
> > - given a design, create a flat file database (this is intro task. Will move on to relational next week)
> > - discuss fields: field names (conventions), field sizes (limit storage space), data types (standard & MS Access)
> > - create a report: sorted by, selected fields
> > - report conventions re format and layout
> > .......
> > This approach suits my students who panic if given lots of notes in one go.
> > Cheers,
> > Charmaine Taylor
> > Sunbury Downs College
> >
> > Keith Richardson wrote:
> >
> >
> > The approach I use (in covering the plethora of stuff to be memorized)
> > is I DO NOT TEACH IT.
> > How do I justify that? There is simply too much and lecturing almost all
> > of the time switches the kids off (IMHO).
> > Solution - my kids have to make summaries of the chapters (one per
> > fortnight) plus some scenarios and sample questions. Reward - they are
> > allowed to take their own summaries into each sac.
> > So what do I do with class time? Plenty of practical - let them keep
> > their hands on computers much of the time. Plenty of short sharp
> > discussions to whet the appetite/enthusiasm, answer some questions they
> > might have about what they are reading for homework (emphasizing that
> > the teacher is only one of many resources available to aid learning).
> > I have a number of videos such as the study of the info system used in
> > Big W - this provides a wonderful opportunity for them to identify some
> > of the stuff they are learning as they summarize.
> > I am not saying mine is the best approach, just that it seems to work OK
> > for me.
> > Cheers, Keith
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:35:35 +1100, "Mark Kelly"
> > <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au> <mailto:kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au> said:
> >
> >
> > Russell Edwards wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hello list,
> >
> >
> > Hello Russell.
> >
> >
> >
> > I just finished my last set of powerpoint slides for Ch 3 of Potts.
> >
> > I have a few questions; please excuse the naive ones as I am new to
> > teaching.
> >
> > Firstly, I did not expect to be giving lecture-style presentations to
> > secondary students, but in ITA there seems to be so much guff they're
> > expected to memorise with no real practical activity possible to cement
> > it, that lecturing and encouraging revision seems the only way to go. I
> > have been doing 20 mins of theory at the start of each double and then
> > have them go on with practical work (at present, Dreamweaver). Do others
> > follow a similar format for ITA? (The 20 mins looks to be too little
> > actually)
> >
> >
> > That's why my site is called "IT Lecture Notes" - exploratory learning
> > can be great but it chews up classtime. The 'Lecture Tolerance Limit'
> > of your kids can vary from year to year, but I mix lectures with
> > practice whenever I can.
> >
> >
> >
> > Secondly, a few things in the book seem outdated. I'm no network
> > engineer, but it's my understanding that hubs and token ring networks
> > are a thing of the ancient past. Yet, both receive a fair bit of
> > coverage in the Potts book, especially hubs. Likewise, you'd be pretty
> > hard pressed to find anyone still using 10BASE2 these days.
> >
> >
> > It's funny how conservative IT folk can be. Yes - hubs and coaxial are
> > history; so, effectively, are bridges and repeaters. Token Ring is a
> > rare oddity.
> >
> > To save time, I just teach CAT6, switches and Ethernet and basically
> > ignore coax, hubs and Token Ring. Be wary with ITA - the depth of
> > networking knowledge is way less than it was in IPM: no topologies or
> > protocols are needed now. The most technical stuff remaining is cables
> > and wireless.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thirdly and related, how can I tell *specifically* what things students
> > will need to know for the exam? (Will hubs and token ring nets be in
> > it?) The study design mentions switches and not hubs in the glossary
> > under network architecture, and bus, star and hybrid, not ring, under
> > network topologies. Does that mean they're guaranteed not to be on the
> > exam? It seems fairly tricky for teachers and students with a brand new
> > study design and no past exams to go by.
> >
> >
> > If a key knowledge dotpoint or the glossary says "including X,Y and Z"
> > it means that X,Y and Z are examinable.
> > If it says "for example", it is just an example to clarify what is
> > intended by a point.
> >
> > No topologies are listed in U3O2 key knowledge so could not be justified
> > as examinable. Topologies and protocols belong in Software Development
> > now.
> >
> >
> >
> > Fourthly, the approach taken to network communications standards and
> > transmission media both in Potts and in the study design seems a bit of
> > a dog's breakfast, i.e. there is no concept of layers. Readers won't
> > know that IP runs on top of a data link layer protocol like the data
> > layers of ethernet or 802.11, that TCP runs on top of IP and so does
> > UDP, etc etc. I can't see how they're supposed to know what the random
> > bits and pieces they are exposed to are for and how they fit together if
> > they're not given the big picture.
> >
> >
> > Fear not. Such complexities are irrelevant for ITA.
> >
> >
> >
> > Is that a fair comment? So, in my slides I am presenting the TCP/IP
> > five-layer network model: physical, data, network, transport,
> > application. I will then go on and cover all the bits mentioned in the
> > book plus a few more examples for clarity, but all in the context of the
> > layers. Students will be told that they only need to know what's in the
> > book but that the five-layer model is a good way to learn it.
> >
> >
> > None of that is needed for IPM. Just stick to the study design. Don't
> > overcomplicate things: IPM students are FAR from technical geniuses :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any input I can get
> >
> > Russell Edwards
> > Whittlesea Secondary College
> >
> >
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> Mark Kelly
> Manager - Information Systems
> McKinnon Secondary College
> McKinnon Rd McKinnon 3204, Victoria, Australia
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> School Phone +613 8520 9000
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>
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>
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Elsternwick
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