[Year 12 IT Apps] OT: Computer rollover

Fri Aug 10 10:55:40 EST 2007

Because....... They prevent other students from doing higher order educational activities on the limited
resource.

Exactly as if you had one group of students wanting to use the chess board as a Frisbee and another group
wanting to use it to play chess. 

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-----Original Message-----
From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Meadows, Roslyn M
Sent: Friday, 10 August 2007 9:43 AM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] OT: Computer rollover

Personally I don't see the hang up about playing games in the library at
lunchtime:
 - it is THEIR time
 - they can borrow backgammon, chess or a pack of cards in the library and play them at lunchtime, (often with
much more noise) so why not a computer game from a USB Bar or one they have created?
 - they are able to play games in the gym or on the oval at lunchtime - why not in the library?

But still - not allowed in OUR library :(

	 Roslyn Meadows
Bentleigh Secondary College
9579 1044
0412 614 062	

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Cameron Bell
Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2007 9:00 AM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] OT: Computer rollover

In the development of new curricula we are finding that the line between

personal/private use and "educational' use is getting so blurred as to be hopeless to distinguish between
them. Sometimes, even what many consider the most obvious transgression turns out to be justified. Kids
playing computer games was a big big issue for some staff in our library

until we pointed out that they had actually created the games and were testing them on mates. To appease them
we opened up a lab for testing games to leave the library free for "traditional" study.  ;) If kids can't use
school computers for *occasional* private use, then I would feel an absolute hypocrite telling them to do
school work at home on the home computer. Wasting personal download time on study-related materials - goodness
me.

Cheers
Cameron

Stephen Digby wrote:
> The rationale for internet/ printing charges is also that the purposes
of use are not necessarily curriculum
> related and thus to allow open slather is to allow some students to
use scarce resources for private use
> rather than educational use.
> There is even an equity argument to be made for educational use..
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au
[mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Cameron Bell
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2007 9:51 PM
> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] OT: Computer rollover
>
> Most schools do actually levy charges for other "addons", particularly
for practical / elective subjects, so
> user-pays isn't limited to Internet access.
> Many of us do now view net access as an essential and indispensable
part of available educational resources,
> however this isn't always appreciated by those who haven't taught in
the net age and now administer. They
> often only see it as a cost.
> I / we decided not to charge students for it when it became obvious
that charging for access was hampering the
> delivery of the curriculum.
> Cameron
>
>
> Russell Edwards wrote:
>   
>> On 08/08/2007, at 5:51 PM, Brendyn Hancock wrote:
>>     
>>> My experience has been that recovering $$$ from student internet 
>>> users has only ever been token. Its more that you are teaching them 
>>> responsible use of costly resources than it is a significant income.
>>>       
>> I can see the reasoning behind the above... but on the other hand I 
>> don't see why schools are so fussed about their internet bills, nor 
>> why they advocate a user-pays system for the internet but nothing 
>> else. The internet is more useful than the library in most subjects 
>> other than, perhaps, English. How much does the library cost to run 
>> per year? And, how much does IT support cost per year? People seem to

>> stress out about internet bills < $10k/year. I would have thought in 
>> consideration of the amount spent on library and IT staff, the 
>> Internet would be worth having even at $100k/year. (And no, the 
>> Education Channel doesn't count as "the Internet" in my view.) When 
>> you consider that the staffing costs overall for a school of 1000 
>> pupils must be in the millions of dollars per year, 10k is peanuts!!
>>
>> Am I missing something?
>>
>> Russell
>> Whittlesea SC
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